What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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https://twitter.com/mypoortiredsoul/status/1494912722156331008?t=gYLM6cs4YV_VCXOnyORAnw&s=19

Good thread, there's a few here that could do with reading it.

ohnonotgmail

A recap of Trump's week

Forced to testify in NY;

His accounting firm said his financial statements are unreliable;

A judge rejected his efforts to stop Jan. 6 lawsuits

National Archives confirmed he removed classified info from White House

And I thought I had a **** week.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118660005#Comment_118660005

The dishonesty around here is at a level I’ve never quite witnessed before. Maybe it’s just attempts to gaslight, as you have no argument to say that what Durham alleges isn’t spying other than insults and links with titles of ‘ no Durham didn’t allege spying’ articles with proof of no such thing. Give me a quote or something.

Durham said: the government's motion isn't undermined even if the media has 'overstated, understated, or otherwise misinterpreted facts'

Thats what I was referring to when I said you can interpret it as you please, and the left wing media have certainly interpreted as they please.

The factual background read:(this can’t be overstated or understated as they are Durhams own words)

• The defendant (Michael Sussman) is charged in a one-count indictment with making a materially false statement to the FBI, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001 (the 'Indictment').  
• As set forth in the Indictment, on Sept. 19, 2016 – less than two months before the 2016 U.S. Presidential election – the defendant, a lawyer at a large international law firm ('Law Firm-1') that was then serving as counsel to the Clinton Campaign, met with the FBI General Counsel (James Baker) at FBI Headquarters in Washington, D.C. 
• The defendant provided the FBI General Counsel with purported data and 'white papers' that allegedly demonstrated a covert communications channel between the Trump Organization and a Russia-based bank ('Russian Bank-1'). 
• The Indictment alleges that the defendant lied in that meeting, falsely stating to the General Counsel that he was not providing the allegations to the FBI on behalf of any client. In fact, the defendant had assembled and conveyed the allegations to the FBI on behalf of at least two specific clients, including (i) a technology executive ('Tech Executive-1 - identified as Rodney Jeffe) at a U.S.-based Internet company ('Internet Company1'), and (ii) the Clinton Campaign. 3. 
• The defendant's billing records reflect that the defendant repeatedly billed the Clinton Campaign for his work on the Russian Bank-1 allegations. In compiling and disseminating these allegations, the defendant and Tech Executive-1 also had met and communicated with another law partner at Law Firm-1 who was then serving as General Counsel to the Clinton Campaign ('Campaign Lawyer-1').  
• The Indictment also alleges that, beginning in approximately July 2016, Tech Executive-1 had worked with the defendant, a U.S. investigative firm retained by Law Firm-1 on behalf of the Clinton Campaign, numerous cyber researchers, and employees at multiple Internet companies to assemble the purported data and white papers. 
• In connection with these efforts, Tech Executive-1 exploited his access to non-public and/or proprietary Internet data. Tech Executive-1 also enlisted the assistance of researchers at a U.S.-based university who were receiving and analyzing large amounts of Internet data in connection with a pending federal government cybersecurity research contract. 
• Tech Executive-1 tasked these researchers to mine Internet data to establish 'an inference' and 'narrative' tying then-candidate Trump to Russia. In doing so, Tech Executive-1 indicated that he was seeking to please certain 'VIPs,' referring to individuals at Law Firm-1 and the Clinton Campaign. 5. 
• The Government's evidence at trial will also establish that among the Internet data Tech Executive-1 and his associates exploited was domain name system ('DNS') Internet traffic pertaining to (i) a particular healthcare provider, (ii) Trump Tower, (iii) Donald Trump's Central Park West apartment building, and (iv) the Executive Office of the President of the United States ('EOP'). 
• (Tech Executive-1's employer, Internet Company-1, had come to access and maintain dedicated servers for the EOP as part of a sensitive arrangement whereby it provided DNS resolution services to the EOP. Tech Executive-1 and his associates exploited this arrangement by mining the EOP's DNS traffic and other data for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump.) 6. 
• The Indictment further details that on February 9, 2017, the defendant provided an updated set of allegations – including the Russian Bank-1 data and additional allegations relating to Trump – to a second agency of the U.S. government ('Agency-2'). 
• The Government's evidence at trial will establish that these additional allegations relied, in part, on the purported DNS traffic that Tech Executive-1 and others had assembled pertaining to Trump Tower, Donald Trump's New York City apartment building, the EOP, and the aforementioned healthcare provider. 
• In his meeting with Agency-2, the defendant provided data which he claimed reflected purportedly suspicious DNS lookups by these entities of internet protocol ('IP') addresses affiliated with a Russian mobile phone provider ('Russian Phone Provider-1'). 
• The defendant further claimed that these lookups demonstrated that Trump and/or his associates were using supposedly rare, Russian-made wireless phones in the vicinity of the White House and other locations. The Special Counsel's Office has identified no support for these allegations. 
• Indeed, more complete DNS data that the Special Counsel's Office obtained from a company that assisted Tech Executive-1 in assembling these allegations reflects that such DNS lookups were far from rare in the United States. For example, the more complete data that Tech Executive-1 and his associates gathered – but did not provide to Agency-2 – reflected that between approximately 2014 and 2017, there were a total of more than 3 million lookups of Russian Phone-Provider-1 IP addresses that originated with U.S.-based IP addresses. 
• Fewer than 1,000 of these lookups originated with IP addresses affiliated with Trump Tower. In addition, the more complete data assembled by Tech Executive-1 and his associates reflected that DNS lookups involving the EOP and Russian Phone Provider-1 began at least as early 2014 (i.e., during the Obama administration and years before Trump took office) – another fact which the allegations omitted. 7. 
• In his meeting with Agency-2 employees, the defendant also made a substantially similar false statement as he had made to the FBI General Counsel. In particular, the defendant asserted that he was not representing a particular client in conveying the above allegations. 
• In truth and in fact, the defendant was representing Tech Executive-1 – a fact the defendant subsequently acknowledged under oath in December 2017 testimony before Congress (without identifying the client by name)

That you can’t have a discussion on this thread without multiple people trying to gaslight you that’s it’s all in your head, or you’re a secret trump follower, or a reader or right wing troll sites is just ridiculous.

First Durham was not to be trusted, then there was no report, now it’s being misinterpreted, all the time avoiding the content of what Durham said. Trump really wrecked the minds of many people, they can’t think properly anymore.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118661871#Comment_118661871

"Trump really wrecked the minds of many people, they can’t think properly anymore."

You have never said anything more true.

@matchbox2021

@matchbox2021 Firstly Sussman's lawyers have also stated the data was gathered during the Obama presidency. He's also not charged with hacking, nobody is. So let's talk about DNS records. Basically their best use is tracking where traffic is going. So if Trump had machines that were hitting servers in Russia for example that would stand out traffic wise. You don't get to see what's happening in the underlying traffic.

An example of something that was likely gathered from end records. We're aware that the Trump servers tended to communicate with Alfa Bank which is a Russian bank. We don't know what the traffic pertained to.

Fyi, using dns records to track traffic is entirely legal. So I imagine that's why you're not gonna see any charges around them.

Billy Mays

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118660545#Comment_118660545

Not a peep out of the Donnie fan club about any of this 🤔

It's all Durham, Durham, Durham...

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118662059#Comment_118662059

And Hillary, Hillary, Hillary.

We will be back onto Hunter very soon at this rate.

A very bad week indeed.

Leroy42

Matchbox, what do you take from this Durham report?

Celticfire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118660141#Comment_118660141

Remind me again, how many weeks if not months did MSM and posters on this website repeat the unfounded accusation that a cop was killed by having a fire extinguisher smashed over his head on Jan 6th?

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118663499#Comment_118663499

Really? But what difference. It was chaotic, there was attempts to hide information, to twist the truth.

Remember it was originally claimed it was actually Antifa?

But the core story was and us correct. A bunch of Trump supporters, egged on by Trump himself, attempted to breach the capital and using force to overturn the legitimate democratic result.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118663499#Comment_118663499

If you're looking for reminders, remember when you're looking for proof about those classified documents found in mar-a-lago?

Celticfire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118663737#Comment_118663737

Did they find the 14 plus boxes full of documents as claimed?

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118663824#Comment_118663824

Time will tell.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118663824#Comment_118663824

It was 15 boxes and some of the contents were classified material. The National Archive have confirmed this.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/18/trump-white-house-docs-at-mar-a-lago-were-marked-classified-nara-says.htm

Celticfire

I know what it was, a poster claimed it was 14 plus boxes full of classified information.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/does-us-waste-money-classifying-harmless-info/

Yes it's from 2010 but shows that a lot of what's marked "classified " is harmless public knowledge.

Much of what the government says is classified isn't much of a secret at all. Sometimes, classified documents contained little more than summaries of press reports. Political banter was treated as confidential government intelligence. Information that's available to anyone with an Internet connection was ordered held under wraps for years.

Days after President Barack Obama's inauguration, the White House received a classified message from the U.S. Embassy in Ottawa. It was a primer for the president's upcoming trip to Canada and it included this sensitive bit of information, marked confidential:

"No matter which political party forms the Canadian government during your Administration, Canada will remain one of our staunchest and most like-minded of allies, our largest trading and energy partner, and our most reliable neighbor and friend."

The document could not be made public until 2019, for national security reasons.

Sometimes, a document is classified even if it has no classified information in it. In January, the State Department asked the U.S. Embassy in Ankara, Turkey, for information on a reported plot to assassinate Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc.

Every paragraph was marked unclassified.

The document was classified.

So forgive me while I don't fall over myself because the word classified is used. It's been referred to the Justice department and it will go from there.

Igotadose

But, but, her e-mails!

We know you won't fall over yourself. It's critical of Trump, you can't abide that.

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118663952#Comment_118663952

You seem more concerned over the number of boxes than you are about the fact that Donnie's accountants cut ties with him, stating that they could no longer vouch for his financial statements for the last ten years. A pretty serious development, wouldn't you agree?

Leroy42

And we are back to looking for loopholes.

When, during the HC classified email witch-hunt, did Trump supporters ever argue about level of classified? Or exactly how many emails?

He illegally removed classified information. Information that the archives had to retrieve. Ie they weren't handed back, he wanted to keep them.

Trump was right about shooting someone on 5th. Posters like CF would argue whether 3 or bullets were used, the exact model of gun, or whether it was really 5th since the person died around the corner.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118663499#Comment_118663499

How many times did they repeat the now debunked ties between trump and Russian banks too. The lies that Sussman made up. A little bit of searching could unearth a treasure trove.

Celticfire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118664210#Comment_118664210

Funny you call it a witch hunt when private servers were used, 30,000 email were deleted using bleachbit , and phones smashed to destroy evidence. Did you argue that what she did was Illegal? Was it illegal, yes or no? If Trump was able to hand them over to the records office then it's fair to say that unlike your poor witchunted Hillary he didn't destroy classified info.

Over the course of the investigation, the agents found thousands of emails that contained information that should have been treated as government secrets, Comey said Tuesday, including eight messages that had Top Secret information in them. All those messages had been sent or received through unsecure, unclassified channels on Clinton’s private e-mail network. And while agents found no direct evidence that the network was hacked, the FBI thinks it is possible some “hostile actors” may have done so. That combination of facts led Comey to declare Tuesday that Clinton and her aides had been “extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.”

Trump was right about shooting someone on 5th. Posters like CF would argue whether 3 or bullets were used, the exact model of gun, or whether it was really 5th since the person died around the corner.

You mean like how posters on here spent weeks saying that protesters killed a cop on Jan 6 by smashing a fire extinguisher over his head when it never actually happened but bashed people that had the audacity to challenge that story.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118664314#Comment_118664314

I thought you were saying he was responsible for hackings. 😂

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118664370#Comment_118664370

Joffe and Sussman are two different people. Do you deny how much Trumps links to Russia banks was spoken about on boards? It was the thing that was finally going to get him, once and for all.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118664392#Comment_118664392

Tell us what other ID you were using then and maybe we'll answer.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118662045#Comment_118662045

You agree that dns data between trump tower, trump apartment and the executive office of the United States was ‘gathered’, Durham alleges all the way up until a couple of weeks into trumps presidency. I’ve posted about this previously.

I call this spying since Durham said the intent to ‘gather’ this information was for the purpose of disseminating derogatory information about Trump. A use that was not previously specified for gathering this information(only from the EOP). Information that has since been investigated and debunked.

We could nit pick about the definition of spying until the cows come home and not get anywhere, and you are correct no one is being charged with spying, yet, but it was included in the factual background submitted by Durham. How did they get access to trump tower and his apartment, there was no previous arrangement to collect that dns data.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118662475#Comment_118662475

There are many take aways. One important one I noticed last night while researching this story was that Jake Sullivan is the ‘foreign policy advisor’ mentioned in Durham’s filings and he currently serves as the national security advisor for Joe Biden. Jake Sullivan who was pushing the Russia hoax for years is the foreign policy advisor and right now we are seeing tensions with Russia never seen before.

This mentality of ‘let’s use anything to attack Trump- even if it isn’t true’ has real world consequences.

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118664392#Comment_118664392

What year are you referring to?

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118664448#Comment_118664448

What do you think about Donnie having to testify as part of the NY investigation or his accountants cutting ties with him? You seem very concerned about spying allegations but not so much about the actual investigations into the former President.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118664505#Comment_118664505

I don’t care about dear ‘Donnie’ in the slightest. I care how a system that can implicitly collude to attack people that don’t conform, but I guess this is a discussion for another thread. I was trying to have this conversation about Durham in the Biden thread but my posts were deleted. In fact one of your mates reprimanded me for it, take it to the trump thread they told me. I’m certainly not trying to divert any conversation from any other stories about Donnie. Please don’t let me stop you.

Billy Mays

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118664430#Comment_118664430

Yeah, tell us for Pete's sake

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118664911#Comment_118664911

But don't do anything outside the law