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The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    I haven't seen a single poll showing support lower than 22 percent like you claim, the most recent poll shows 23.8 percent and the most recent one before that showed 25 percent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,096 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It's good to know that anything worse than wanting to put asylum seekers in re-education camps would also qualify :)

    I presume anyone not meeting that bar across FF/FG/SF/GP/Lab etc. is fine by you as well then, you know, next time you call for a government member to resign :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭starkid




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    My opinion don't begin and end on party lines. Its very freeing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    we understand the mathamatics alright, we also understand how the system works up there and the fact is sf will be the majority paaty.

    partition is coming to a gradual end as is sectarianism, get over it.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    hardly, his point has been destroyed already.

    i just threw in the final knail.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it is as the rest of the vote is split between multiple other parties.

    just like in the UK the tories unfortunately got the majority vote dispite only getting 43% as the rest of the vote was split across multiple parties.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    50% plus one vote is a majority. Nothing else is.

    Sometimes, as in the past with FF, a majority of seats can be got with around 47-48% under our PR system. The UK FPTP system is a very different one.

    But nobody has ever got a majority with 22-27%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    @markodaly Can you point me in the direction of where Eoin O'Broin said, or was alleged to have said, that investment funds needn't worry about SF's rhetoric? I've seen this claim cited a lot over the last few weeks but I've been out of the loop on the news and despite a lot of searching, I haven't been able to find a source for this claim over the last few days. With everything that's happening, I fear I'm unlikely to ever find it if it was on Twitter or anything like that, there's been too much water under the bridge!

    Where did you come across the story?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    SF openly admitting they would appoint people with criminal convictions to advise them in any future SF led government. Is this some dystopian nightmare. Reminds me of Back to the Future II when he goes back to 1985 and criminals, thugs and biker gangs are ruling the place.

    Is anyone surprised though.

    But at the same time, it is truly astonishing that people would even consider giving them their vote. This country has never been more divided in my lifetime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,367 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    to be fair they would struggle to find advisors if they didn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭zoobizoo


    Hardly surprising - it's the party of Terrorists, Thugs & Thickos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    The least you could have done was to provide a source for this information.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,276 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Well it reminds me of the foundation of the state when lots of people involved in government had been imprisoned prior to getting state jobs.

    The pearl clutching doesn't do much for me but I guess its a good political tactic if it works though I doubt it will.

    Everyone already knows that lots of people in Sinn Fein were Republican prisoners so its not like we're just finding it out now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,921 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    An organisation that was complicit in protecting the murderers of innocent people and pedo's would be happy to have criminals representing the country? I for one am shocked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    No, it would be people with convictions for IRA activities.


    Many politicians and such do not have such convictions and most of them are probably fine people.


    The electorate are aware of such and it's likely that the reason that SF are so high in the polls is out of respect, thanks and trust in those who fought for the Irish Republic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I'd imagine they would try rename the phoenix's park after some idiots they sent to their deaths while attacking a police station or similar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,367 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,276 ✭✭✭growleaves


    'The electorate are aware of such and it's likely that the reason that SF are so high in the polls is out of respect, thanks and trust in those who fought for the Irish Republic.'

    Well I don't know about that.

    But basically they agreed to lay down their arms around 1996 or thereabouts. Unless they renege on that they're fulfilling their agreement to be peaceful and focus on the ballot box.

    I can see why someone wouldn't accept it but its basically a tradition in Irish politics, and not just in the 1920s and 30s. Gilmore and other Labour people were mixed up in Official Sinn Fein at one point - another political party with an armed wing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


     it's likely that the reason that SF are so high in the polls is out of respect, thanks and trust in those who fought for the Irish Republic.

    But the people of the Republic were only voting for SF in miniscule numbers while their sidekicks in the IRA were actually 'fighting for the Irish Republic' and only really started voting for them in large numbers 20+ years after they 'gave up the fight'....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭minikin


    They’d be great in government.

    [for about three days and the stark reality of what’s involved actually hits them… just like the brexiteers]

    SecGen of Finance: “Sorry Mary Lou, we don’t actually have a warehouse of magic beans for you to pay for your schemes and dreams…”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭basill


    I still can't believe that you can be a TD with criminal convictions. I would allow some degree of tolerance for minor traffic offences but as for the rest it says a lot about their character.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 BORATS RAT


    It's also a key part of the Good Friday agreement, suggest up to by the Irish government.

    https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1998/act/36/schedule/enacted/en/html


    5. The Governments continue to recognise the importance of measures to facilitate the reintegration of prisoners into the community by providing support both prior to and after release, including assistance directed towards availing of employment opportunities, re-training and/or re-skilling, and further education.

    Unless the present day Irish government thinks it can pick and choose what parts of the agreement or wasn't really serious about when they agreed and signed up to, I can't see why anyone who voted to accept the terms of the Good Friday agreement would have an issue with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Opinions evolve.


    People who were charged with IRA activities will not have a problem from most of the electorate.


    Quite a few TDs, Ministers etc, many elected reps and leaders across Europe in the last 80 years have fought in conflicts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,367 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    nobody has suggested anything of the sort.


    hmm, an old but inactive account reappearing to post on a SF thread and in some details as well. interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,276 ✭✭✭growleaves



    The QE system is the magic bean system. People who were complaining about SF's 'magic beans' in February 2020 put almost the entirity of the real economy on subsidies in March 2020.

    Right or wrong (its wrong) you can spend infinitely if you run up debts infinitely.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    I'm looking forward to any sort of change from FF and FG in politics and am not particularly fussy who is in government once it is not them.

    FF destroying the economy with the housing crash and FG selling out the youth is far worse in my view than what SF might do with senior appointments. I think people who still vote FF and FG haven't done particularly badly financially the last twenty years.

    I'm not affiliated with any political party and just vote based on my personal view at the time of the election and how I think the next four years should look.



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