Galway traffic

He was talking about cycling infrastructure in general.

Now that you mention it though, from dangain, his employees could take the path by the river, in to NUIG, across road at Wards, down the canals, across the road at monroes, across the road at raven terace, a short 100m to claddagh path and on to knocknacara cross from there.

Sounds joined up to me. Your point or do you have one?

That is a good point... About 70% of people goto work by Car...

Now lets look at the Knocknacarra to University, Hospital and on to Ballybrit cycle lane... This is under used and rather than figure out what is wrong they want to double down...

That is why targets and goals matter in projects..

Maybe we are better investing in Public Transport over cycling?

Maybe what we allow as E-Bikes could be increased in Power ( to say the US standard)...

Denmark allow Pedalectrics in there cycle lanes...

Maybe we should be subsidising tricycles or other electric type motorbikes?

Thing is, I am saying there is plenty ways of skinning a cat... But this idea of 'build it and they will come' is a plan which really only works in movies and corn fields...

You don't mention the big elephant in the room. Multi-lane Roundabouts. The N6 section for most of that scenario you mention is a service duct - with a cycle lane put on top of it the past decade, previous 20 years it was just a service duct. The SQR/BOD section is a designed bus and cycle path with two of those big elephants either end of it!! The Council themselves call the City cycle network a "disjointed network."

well, they have a poor record in road design too. The removal of the Bóthar na dTreabh roundabout is a key example, and they're now repeating it at the Galway Clinic roundabout (whatever that's called).

I'm old enough to remember that the roundabout was put in to replace a light-controlled junction because....... light controlled doesn't work for such applications.

All they literally had to do, at a fraction of the price & time, as to put in a much larger diameter roundabout -this could have aborbed and kept moving a greater volume of traffic - like ones over motorway junctions - and it would have a natural rythm to it.

But oh no, someone thinks a PLC and several million euro is better. It wasn't better back then, it's not better now.

Galway is going backwards.

The Headford Road change is a good lesson in how our intuition and observations on things aren't always correct and it's important to look at quantitative data to confirm or deny them. I'm sure there's plenty out there that still think the removal of the roundabout at the Galway Shopping Centre was the worst thing to ever happen to Galway traffic.

It also shows how big the outrage is to EVERY change in road/transport infrastructure in this city.

The Kirwan Traffic lights initially was Sh*t Show... Everyone in the town knew it.. They screwed up the lights system...

Thing is the Corp Executive never admitted to that at the time... No matter what it was great..

https://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/123381/charity-demands-heads-should-roll-for-the-disaster-of-the-kirwan-junction-design

I can't find where the executive acknowledged the problem and took responsibly and apologised afterwards...

Donal Lyons is just paying lip-service... You are not getting parking on the Prom for a long while, that it...

I said while it was going on that this would create a backlash... You woke a sleeping giant and they were pissed off now...

People who park on the Prom and go for a walk are contingent of Galway.. It is an institution and the Cycling lobby threatened them...

Sory but you got nothing and don't think they are going to be humouring you for a good while... Those councillors got burnt and they will remember to not go near this for a while.. Positions have been hardened now...

So 24 hours and no response, even though you have posted in this thread since then.

So do we take it that you just jump to biased conclusions without bothering to check the details? Or are you maliciously trying to falsely malign a group you don't like?

That you got the Brendan McGrath 'death threat' story so wrong suggests it could be the former, but the fact you let these defamatory statements stand without correction makes me think it's the latter.

I've been puzzled by certain peoples paranoia about "lycra brigades" with secret master plans for a while now. It's completely at odds with my experiences of regular people just trying to get to work/school/shop/whatever safely and the occasional grouping of these individuals to try and achieve this. Specially since you only really see lycra wearing cyclists in the country doing long cycles, completely unaffected by cycling lanes in the city limits.

My theory is it's mental gymnastics to help justify why they prioritise their own convenience over the safety of others.

You can’t take it whatever way you want. I couldn’t care less. Reality is I’m not going to discuss it on an open public forum. As to the McGrath comment, you’re only partially right. Yes, there was an incident - the one he mentioned on GB FM. He also dealt with some abuse issues related to the cycleway. Two councillors who were there told me that. No I’m not going to tell you who.

You do know that people are not obliged to answer you here don’t you?

Well, he also clearly states that any cycle way must take "... into consideration all promenade users, not just cyclists. A lot more people use the promenade than just cyclists". That by definition includes all the people who walk the Prom, regardless of how they get there. I can't see any councilor overtly supporting a proposal to narrow the Prom for a cycle way.

I am also curious as to what he means by an "integrated" cycle way. That could mean many things, or several of them at once, assuming it's not just a buzzword being thrown out. To me, one meaning of "integrated" would be that the cycle way goes well beyond the Prom in several directions. Even going west as far as the Barna road junction was apparently far too much to swallow. I know well from walking the Barna road that it is most definitely not cyclist-friendly whenever there is any volume of traffic*. There are a lot people living of the Ballymoneen and Cappagh roads, and surely a cycle way would need to facilitate them? Having an isolated cycle way in and around the Prom has never made much sense to me. And why not continue out to Barna Woods, and then to the Silverstrand junction? From there, it's about 1 km to the eastern edge of Barna ...

*Cue separate discussion about the Ring Road 😐️