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Housing Madness

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,219 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    He thinks it is unfair and I do see his point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,100 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    EcoEye had a great show on last night at 7pm RTE one probably on the player now in relation to reusing our main highs streets and thoroughfares as family housing. Tens of thousands of former residencies come retail residency come retail come derelict units across the towns and city's of Ireland that should be incentivised to buy and repair for private individual as principle private residential or local authorities to rebuild for lower incoming housing.

    This would mean are huge and large stick to beat the usage of these properties from those that sit on them for decades into dereliction. Action is needed on a national strategy on this.

    In central Europe towns and cities are covered in residential units as opposed to retail or dereliction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,219 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Yeah it was interesting but there was a fair bit of bias. The house in Cork they were complaining about was actually in use as a car park so would not be classed as derelict like they said. Just saying that as something to note that they casually ignored.

    Central Europe has tons of ghost town and you can go to expensive areas in Europe and they have lots of derelict property. When I went to Brussels I was very surprised out home many derelict buildings were about and the same with Madrid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Professional couples cannot buy a house so negative equity cannot happen... I know a couple who both have Masters degrees... both work for one of the leading Multi-Nationals... they cannot buy a house anywhere within striking distance of Galway...

    I know one of the families very well... Bank of mum and dad have with a struggle got the masters... i would expect their job done or in any decent society a well educated person 25 years should be able to go it alone...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,100 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    A house cannot be a car park so let's settle that for a minute. The house was derelict. Whatever about the property out front. How that got planning for use as a car park is another story.

    Bias only in a sense that property owners are flouting the system to extract maximum profit whilst offering absolutely very little to the local communities their properties are in.

    Its wrong whatever way you paint it.

    These types of units add 4 or 5 short term parking for whomever. But have a falling down and in many cases burnt out building next to them. That's utter madness. Owners have to be penalised. **** or get off the pot simple as that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭eggy81


    I agree. I was questioning the post questioning his post!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭Eircom_Sucks


    they are my nextdoor neighbours . i'm friends with there landlord who has told me what he gets from hap , he knows the boyfriend lives there etc and he doesn't care once he gets his hap payment every month

    the hap is claimed for a single mother and 2 young kids , yet he is living there 100 % and both have jobs and he drives a 202 tesla model 3 and she drives a 192 peugeot 5008 gt line

    how is it right that their rent is suplimented by €1500 a month yet others who work and pay taxes get nothing ??

    she gets €1500 a month hap and pays €100 a month cash a month to bridge the gap to the €1600 she has agreed with landlord

    yet a single person working with no kids and paying tax can't even get a room at this rate , this is why im saying its wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,219 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    You are angry at the wrong person. The property is in use so they can't say it is derelict like the presenter wanted.

    Don't think you understand what bias means. It isn't bias for the owners not use the property it is just what they are doing. The show ignore details to make a point that is bias.

    Never said it was right or wrong. It could be argued seizing somebody else's property could be seen as wrong.

    Why does it have to be a penalty and not encouragement and incentives? Where are the councils going to get the money to buy and do up these properties. Dublin council I believe owns the most derelict housing in the country.

    People want to support SF but they sit on all these councils and aren't acting.

    I don't like to see derelict building nor vacant property appearing but I am also one of these people. I have a run down garage which could be converted to accommodation. I am not going to do that due to the rent regulations. I keep my chair in it the council have no right to force me to sell it. I have plans for it now but it could have been accommodation. Nothing happens in a vacuum and people don't accept that rent regulations and proposed plans mean less rentals. The idea of punishing somebody because you restrict what they can do or the financial gain to me seems wrong.

    Yes the existing rules should be enforced but it is no way a quick nor easy solution. The fair deal for nursing homes causes a lot of vacant property



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,219 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    The landlord can't know why they get HAP. If he is stating he is filling in a form saying she is a single parent report him not the tenant.



  • Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    you seem to know a lot about their private business....... everyone can have new cars, its called PCP. Again, you know that working people can and do claim HAP right? if they actually have been reported and investigated four times, then sorry but you are wrong in your beliefs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭BattleCorp1


    A couple of questions.

    1. Are they recently qualified and don't have a deposit saved up?
    2. Define striking distance?
    3. Are they setting their sights too high? What I mean by that is are they expecting to buy the Taj Mahal beside where they work or do they need to set their sights a little lower. I just looked at myhome.ie and I've seen a good few houses for under €200k within an hours drive of Galway.

    The reason I'm asking this is because things aren't so bad that two professional people earning good money can't afford to buy a house somewhere within commuting distance of work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I have friends from South America so I'm in a few groups where people are coming on exchanges.

    I've seen multiple people say they have cancelled their flight at the last minute as there's no accommodation and they're seeing all the posts from people searching.

    I have spoken to people who are so desperate for accommodation they've asked me can they come stay with me and that after their initial 2 weeks that their agency booked accommodation runs out. Other people are living in hotels for months now! Others have said they are fearful they'll end up on the streets in a few days.

    I saw another post in a rent group, woman posting a selfie with their 5 year old child looking for a room. My heart sank as they have no chance. There's literally nowhere to house all the people currently in the cities.

    And by the way, Lynn Ruane can go fcuk herself! "housing is more than a location, it's a support network"....if you need a support network then you shouldn't have kids! And if you can't look after your kids then they should be taken off you. Angers me that councils buy brand new houses and house social housing tenants. Why do they deserve to be handed a brand new house in a prime city location?

    Give them a house, but give them a second hand one where it's in as high demand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,219 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    1. I take it these people coming over have visas and are going to work in low paying jobs?
    2. Would you prefer we return to Magdeline Laundries again instead of homing people?

    There is plenty of housing to house people in the cities the occupancy rate is very low. There is no will to do it because it would mean encouraging OAPs to downsize. Even when it was suggested people went crazy suggesting it was a bedroom tax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    So you think its ok i don't agree... its none of my business but living in Claremorris Ennis or Athlone and working in Galway not accecptable for me...

    Out of interest how long does your commute take...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,100 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    It would be much better for society if we encouraged principal private residence use rather than more. (than we already do) incentise property as a business tbh. So no I disagree with the notion that we should continue to fund developers to own en masse and wait for loop holes or incentives to appear for them to make a quick buck. It's an arseways system that encourages mis-use or no use at all of valued land inside zones where residential use should be the primary function.


    No idea why SF were raised as I don't think they were part of the program nor I a member or voter.

    In terms of funding as I said we need a national strategy and we need to borrow on the markets at negative or zero rates as a country to encourage uptake to revitalise main streets high streets and through a fares nationwide.

    Enough giving money to individuals sitting on multiple properties we've done that already for a long long long time. It hasn't and doesn't work. And yes Dublin City Council should be penalised and or bypassed too.


    Big stick and big rock approach across the board. This is a housing crisis its simply not going to be solved by single theme thinking. And at the moment build to rent is that single thinking. It's ridiculous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,219 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    What salaries are these people on. Qualification and saying a good job doesn't mean much. If they are well paid then they can afford in Galway if not then they aren't well paid. That is why people find what you are saying difficult to believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    You think its ok i do not... she is a senior engineer in the biggest Boston so i expect she well paid... so we are living in a Country who only people with rich parents can expect to own a home... God help us...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,219 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Is the goal to get this done quickly and cheaply? If so then incentives are the way. If you want to make a point and punish people your way is the one to go for it to be expensive and slow.

    I think you have a moral view that doesn't really want a solution other than you seize property off people you think are undeserving.

    An elderly relative has a run down house, she doesn't want to sell it nor have the money to do it up. If she did it up and then left it to a family member they pay inheritance tax of the higher value of the house. So the house lays idle. You think that property should be taken off an elderly women. See you think these properties are owned by businesses trying to make a profit by hording land and that is not always the case or even the majority.

    The stick or the carrot and you want the stick but there are so many legal hurdles it won't really happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,219 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Not what I said at all. I am just pointing out your claims don't match up with reality. How much are they wanting to spend on a property? You state good wage and can't afford anything doesn't cut it. How much are they earning and what can they not afford. Never mentioned rich parents so I don't know where that came from. I know people without rich parents who bought property. A friend recently bought a house in Dublin 3 and she is single and works as a career in the HSE. Not big money and her parents didn't give her money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,100 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Yes I do think the house should be taken off her if it's not principal private residence and she be given a fair price for it.

    On no planet can we have people sitting on such assets during a housing crisis.

    Why the fact she's elderly matters is beyond me. She will get paid for the property in its current form. Why should the state have to fund her business if she can't fund it herself.

    Another property destined for falling down or burning out is what you are promoting there


    Also I might add the notion I have some moral view and want to just punish people is laughable. These people are offering nothing in a crisis other than to further the deterioration of main streets across the country. There's a block of 5 buildings for example in arklow there I drove by recently and building one and two are now burnt out with roof caved in. Having sat empty for ten years. Now the buildings next door are staring to fall over.


    That's a ridiculous thing to allow to occur, we don't owe you a living as tax payers we owe the public living and workalabe towns and cities.

    If you can make that building work and it's offers you a return then more power to you. If you can't or won't then get fair money for it where it can be put to good use.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,748 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    So you are for the state forcing CPOs on people with multiple properties?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,219 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    She is in a nursing home which she pays for. If she let the state pay for it she have to give a large amount of it to the government. THe government are going to take her parents home from her and you have no issue with that? Well that is why legislation will not be approved because many people care about their elderly relatives and don't like pay tax and normal family assets.

    I never suggested letting it fall down I am pointing out how current policy and legislation hampers development and having homes to rent. You want to double down to also pushing people due to the current policies. If you can't see why that is an issue then you have blinkers on.

    I understand what you are saying and agree with the principle but I am pointing out that somebody has to pay and I don't think that should be private citizens who paid there way through life. You can disagree but do you understand?

    The government made it so people in nursing homes don't rent their property. That seems an easier fix than hunting the property down to seize it would you not agree?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭BattleCorp1


    What would you consider an acceptable commute?

    From 2015 until 2021 I commuted from South Leinster to Dublin. Almost 1.5 hours each way. Yep, it was tough, not going to deny that. I changed jobs about 5 months ago and now commute approx. 45 minutes each way. I would consider 45 minutes an easy enough commute.

    My point is that a very quick search on myhome.ie showed that there are houses within what most people would consider an acceptable commuting distance to Galway and at an affordable price (for two people with good jobs), so it's incorrect to say they can't buy a house. What is more accurate is that they can't buy a house their dream house in their preferred location and for a price that suits them.

    Claremorris to Galway is approx. 60km. Not much difference to my commute. But like you said, you don't think that's acceptable. That's your choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I did not go into detail as not my business but my understanding is any reasonable property... was it recently your friend bought in D3 as there may be better value in Dublin than i thought... this conversation took place a few months ago and i will not revisit as be interfering..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭BattleCorp1


    For the record, I bought my house with no help from my parents. Not because they didn't want to help, but because they didn't have the money to help.

    I'll be honest here. It's difficult enough on the median wage (around €40k) for one person to buy a house. Buying a house is a two-income job for many people. But if both people are in steady employment and have average jobs, there should be no need to go to the bank of Mummy and Daddy to get help to buy a house unless they want a flash house in a desirable location.

    We'd all like to have a mansion beside where we work and not have to commute, but this is the real world and people are going to have to 'cut their cloth according to their measure'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I am not sure what be acceptable as each person different... commuting was never an issue for me as company wheels so basically working from home. I never had a problem getting up at 5am when i needed to... I am relaying what i was told and these people are "feet on the ground people" or at least i think they are...

    I have a thing about the way the housing thing is but i suppose we live in a world where nobody cares about anyone but me....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭BattleCorp1


    Why is living in Claremorris, Ennis or Athlone unacceptable to you if you don't mind the commute?

    And less of the 'nobody cares about anyone but me' sh1te.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    You are talking for you as that's all you care about... i feel sorry for people who it seems will never own their own home...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    So a call for more muted and sustainable growth equals communism in your book?

    It must be nice to only see black and white in the world.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭Eircom_Sucks


    maybe they havnt been investigated thats my point

    jesus you are dumb



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