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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    It's going to fluctuate now daily. I wouldn't be getting alarmed over an increase or even too optimistic with a decrease. Its going to broadly probably be in the 500-700 range I would think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Sweden are putting an end to widespread testing:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40803960.html

    They'll be offering it to select groups only as needed (same as any other virus, basically)


    Johnson flags that the UK will end the legal requirement to isolate towards the end of this month:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60319947


    Neither country are great examples historically, but it does tell us where we're all going. If there's no legal requirement to self-isolate, then employers will tell employees to come into work even if they're sick, and people will stop getting tested. As it is, many people only get tested so they have a legal excuse for sick pay. Once that ends, people will stop testing.

    We'll do the same here in short order, to much wailing and gnashing of teeth, but it has to be done.



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I can tell you that my employer are making plans to stop isolation and contact tracing requirements at work within the next few weeks. Multinational, so probably getting a heads up from the IDA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭jackboy


    In fairness she has made some good points about air hygiene. I think it is a scandal that we are not moving quickly on that. Even if the pandemic is over, sorting out air hygiene will have long term benefits to the health of the population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    8pm hospital situation

    In hospital 565 (40 fewer than last night)

    In ICU 68 (4 fewer than last night.

    A month ago January 9th there was 1004 in hospital and 82 in ICU



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Already looking forward to Orla Hegarty's meltdown on that day. Should be a good one coming soon with masks being removed too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    So my German daily is reporting about the South African doctor Angelique Coetzee who discovered and observed the Omicron variant first.

    She is complaining that when she was certain of the much milder impact of this variant she was pressured by officials to not report truthfully but to continue to report of a variant of grave concern. Interestingly it wasn't her own government or health bodies but European health officials that sought to control the Omicron message. She cited Dutch and British health officials in particular.

    She refused and here we are now.

    I find that a very concerning report tbh. It's yet another indication that certain powers were not really interested in ending the pandemic but rather in dramatising and extending it.

    Edit: Corrected, sorry, she wasn't really accusing governments but 'health officials'. Whether that's the same or not is another matter but don't want to misquote.

    Post edited by CalamariFritti on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Luke O'Neil was on Pat Kenny show this morning discussing a huge study around antigen testing (done in the UK I think).

    Apparently it was found, that antigen tests will be positive when a person is most likely to spread the disease, and negative when far less likely to spread the disease due to less viral load in the respiratory system and some other reasons I forget now.

    PCR is far more sensitive, so detects virus in people who aren't sick or contagious. Pat shrieked in glee that his support of antigen testing was a winning bet after app this time.

    So essentially, antigen is a more realistic test for preventing spread of the disease due to its rapid result and not highlighting false positives.

    So after 2 years, the conspiracy theorists are proved correct on both PCR testing and control of information regarding severity of illness as you reference above



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Pure public health politics at work. The last thing they wanted in Europe was people deciding it was all over. Given the huge numbers of cases and the subsequent pressure it brought on some health systems, they had a case, however little you may like it. That said even a cursory glance at the SA reports was welcome reading on just how severe it was and you do get the impression that people began to relax anyway.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    So some lies are OK then?

    I wonder how many other lies were we told about covid?

    I would have thought credibility in public health advice was important

    They've basically admitted some of it was bullshit



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Be that as it may, but clearly 'controlling the narrative' is not a phrase of 'conspiracy theorists'. Puts a different light also on that BS phrase 'the science' that's always been thrown at us.

    The problem is - like in real, small life - once a liar always a liar. Justified or not, 'right' reasons or not, credibility becomes an issue once you get caught with one or two things.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    I know there were some on here, far more educated than me on this subject, that said PCR was the way to go, and antigen was a waste of time and we could not be trusted to use them. I used to wonder alright about those PCR's giving positive results due to old viral whatevers hanging around after you are no longer sick or contagious. And yet, most of the world still considers them the acid test. Confused.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Who says it was lies? What was said about SA, rightly IMO, was while it was great to hear that we needed to see how things went in northern European winter. At the time that couldn't be said and the type of caution we've seen over these two years was the obvious response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭ShadowTech


    They are complimentary. PCR will catch more cases (asymptomatic and viral fragments from a recovered case included) and are excellent for diagnostic and statistical purposes. Antigen tests are excellent for allowing individuals to assess their own situation but with a much larger margin of error depending on the circumstances. It had been reported for a long time that antigen tests are highly accurate when someone is symptomatic and when the viral load is highest (i.e. most likely to be contagious).

    Ideally PCR tests could have been primarily used to collect accurate statistics on spread in the community and antigens could have been used as a method of mitigation by individuals but we got the whole “snake oil” nonsense and heard how we should “trust the experts” so long as it wasn’t the experts saying the opposite of our experts. 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    For 90% of us the real success was getting through these two years, as healthily as possible, both mentally and physically. That meant getting ourselves to a point of understanding ,of what was required of us and and of however much of the science that made sense. I really don't see what you hope to do with all of this.

    As for CT folks, somewhere in the 6,000 CTs that exist about COVID, there was always a chance that one or two might get close, but very much by accident rather than design.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭live4tkd



    Indeed Professor Mina stated this months ago in reference to Nolans and Holohans views on Antigen Testing. This testing is tracking infectiousness at a particular period of time whereas PCR will pick up everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Antigen tests got a vey bad press initially, mainly because many of them were useless but they evolved very well. As has been said they can be good at identifying the symptomatic but many countries wanted more that for disease management so that was the PCR route. In our case the NPHET belligerence towards them was puzzling and a bit childish. IMO, it's been one of their poorest stances and we could have been using them as early as June of last year as a backup to the PCR system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Mina was one of the many US academics who made tools of themselves during this and it was all about ego over common sense for the vast majority. May we never hear from them again!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,527 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    I see the normal winter trolley crisis is back in the news. Things getting back to normal in our hospitals it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I really don't see what you hope to do with all of this.

    I despair a bit over an attitude like this. 'Ah sure let it be it was for our best and what can you do.' It so defeatist and subservient.

    Lies and manipulation need to be exposed or it will happen over and over again. If you're happy with that knock yourself out I'm not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    This all seems to be a bit of a reckoning of accounts on your part, not something that resonates with me I'm afraid. It is/was a very unique event in all of our lives and we got some things right, quite a few things wrong and some of us learnt to ignore things that just weren't important. Post-mortems will emerge from this in order to do things (a lot) better but not to your level of granularity or finger pointing. What exactly will this exposing do anyway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭live4tkd


    Was he though? Was he not right! What about some our own academics here! What have had some prize tulips throughout this! Not using antigen testing earlier was and will always be bullsh*t to me in our overly conservative response and unforgiveable in that the cost we are all going to pay for the Covid response in this country! They tools of themselves here too with their carryon over it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so



    Being right is not always the best look. He persistently butted into things in a condescending often aggressive manner, when silence was really the right call. My comments apply to quite a lot of academics, Irish or otherwise. Definitely not their proudest media moments collectively.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Exactly! We are billions in debt due to our response to this. We have record levels of inflation that the government are already changing from short term to medium term. The housing crisis is worse than ever due to being the only country to close construction for months in 2021.

    Those of us with 2 functioning eyes could see that we were being lied to again and again by extremely wealthy people who got caught up in the hysteria and responded poorly again and again.

    We need to ensure that some of our Draconian views on things can never happen again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    This is more than a little odd to me, but can allow you’re entitled to your opinion.

    For me it sits complete wrong that authorities would deliberately minimise and obfuscate the first-hand observation and evidence of a group of eminent scientists, in order to maintain a desirable level of fear/worry.

    I can’t accept that the fact that the population may make autonomous decisions with truthful information provided, (regardless of how those decisions align with public health advice), is any reason to mar the truth in the information dispensed. This is not the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Also in relation to this; - but in many countries antigen did not get bad press initially. They were identified for a purpose and deployed for that purpose, alongside PCR.

    Still find it absolutely bizarre that a nation of 5 million people can have experts that disagreed so stringently on ‘science’ with their European counterparts, representing close to 450 million people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Also: Rather than saying Omicron "is milder", the politicians would probably have liked to buy themselves a bit of credit by saying "the vaccine appears to be more effective against this strain as hospitilisations are lower, see!!!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Hospital numbers have flatlined! 594 in hospitals tonight only a decrease of 1 from 8am



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    😆😆😆


    She’s totally against what the UK did. Forever restrictions is her fantasy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    She’s not okay at all! Never has been. It’s pessimism central with her and Independent Sage



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