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Can anyone explain Rolex to me?

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I'd say it's more speculators buying them up hoping to get them in the same direction as Rolex. Rolex don't care they're guaranteed sales and if grey market prices go north then Rolex can up the RRP because the market expects to pay more. If anything the AD's are the ones in the middle, and the ordinary non investment buyers of course.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 23,923 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    That boardie has first dibs at it if I ever decide to get rid of it and not at inflated prices either. Problem is my godson who is a proper watch nut has already asked that I leave it to him when I die 😁

    Which is probably what I meant to say earlier, Rolex to me isn't just the watch, it's the allure, I would say that 99% of people, even watch geeks, when asked to ask a premium brand watch would say Rolex and considering the company is just over 100 years old it's considered a generational piece says all you need to know about it in my opinion.

    Oblig pic (not my watch by the same)




  • Registered Users Posts: 64,774 ✭✭✭✭unkel



    Not so sure about that. Yes it still is very affordable by Rolex professional steel prices and it arguably is the most elegant looking of all submariners. But it's not as sturdy and the bracelet is crap compared to all newer generations. Thankfully Rolex have moved onwards and upwards from that stuff in the last few decades. If you want a pretty iconic watch to wear while you are sitting at your desk, go for it. For a 24/7 tool watch that will take abuse, look elsewhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Etc



    jay Leno on why he doesn’t own a Ferrari, I thought it was interesting in the context of this thread.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yes the bracelets aren't a patch on the new ones(Rolex upped, nay reversed their game there. Best bracelet on the market today). However that 'iconic' watch got that way because it was an actual 24/7 tool watch that could take dog's abuse. Famously so. The owner's tales of just how tough they could be are legion. Old Rolex Subs, Seiko divers and Vostok Amphibias beat up G-Shocks for their lunch money. 😁 About the only reason you even know about Rolex tool watches as a thing was built on the solid rep of those models. The latest models are indeed far more finely made and finished, the movements are leagues ahead, but they're as much, if not more a luxury watch for office diving than the 14060. And I would agree it's more elegant than the current crop. I have no idea what they were thinking with those fat lugs. Look awful clunky to my eye anyway.

    Old

    Current

    Maybe, or clearly it's just me? But I much prefer the older design(though the Milsub is my fave by many furlongs. Drooool).

    Actually, what's the story with buying an older model and slapping a newer bracelet onto it, or are the bracelets unobtanium too?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 64,774 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    That's not current, it changed last year 😁


    The maxi case is very controversial, and not elegant whatever your views on it are. And completely out of proportion. Although it does work well at making the watch wear a bit bigger.


    The current model is far better imho:


    Still not as elegant as the 5 digit one imho



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭mailforkev


    The days of “tool watch” Rolexes et al are well gone*. They’re too expensive these days for you not to have to be reasonably careful wearing one if buying with your own hard-earned. The luxury element has long since surpassed the utility.

    The only workouts mine see are washing the car or cutting the grass.

    *unless you’re some mad fella doing your gentleman farming in a Patek of course.



  • Registered Users Posts: 64,774 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I don't agree Kev. I bang my Rolex off anything and everything, wear it 24/7. I don't take it off for any rough work, it's my only watch. It's insured for all risks. And a few scratches barely take away from the value.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    the 14060 actually has a descent enough bracelet, not as good as the SEL 6 digit versions but better than 90% of bracelets on other watches even today. They are also hard as nails, very reliable and the 14060m version is the transition model with the newer movement from the early 6 digit. Its a very nice Rolex if you are into that neo vintage look, a smaller watch with the mini dial but I think a winner, I think the Al bezels have better colours than the ceramic versions....


    As for the new version versus the maxi case, that photo is not in proportion Unkle and a bit misleading. I prefer the maxi case I think the taper to the bracelet in the new version is very steinhart




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭mailforkev


    To be fair Unk, I do generally wear one 24/7 too but off it comes if I’m doing gym stuff or anything with a high risk of dinging it.

    I have a Seamaster that I treat like you do the Rolex. Now that’s in far from tip top condition.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,552 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    If anyone is still confused on "what's the deal with rolex", a few hours playing spot the difference between these two examples should soon put them right!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    the 14060 actually has a descent enough bracelet, not as good as the SEL 6 digit versions but better than 90% of bracelets on other watches even today.

    It really wasn't. It was OK, about average at the price point, the design inherently helped with stretch and still does, but they were regularly lambasted for the quality of their bracelets considering their prices and tightening up bracelets was a thing for some watchmakers. They didn't bring in solid links until around 2000 and after that the quality got better and better.

    IIRC the 14060 never had the chronometer rating? I do recall the movement was toned down in quality and didn't have breguet hairspings. Their movements back then were decidedly lacklustre, however they were very tough and the design was such that with tweaking they were able to get chronometer ratings. A feat that's always been impressive. Like you say the M version has the better movement. their current crop of movements are very nice. Not finished to the nth degree, but finished well and workmanlike. TBH I prefer that in movements. The best movements from Zenith, Omega, Longines etc were like that. Patek and the like can go overboard sometimes IMHO. I know it's their thing but it's beauty for beauty's sake. Which is fine too. I'd also agree that the ally bezels are nicer looking and can grow their own patina. I find ceramic a bit plastic looking TBH. It's far superior and all that, but...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    Agree with you there Unkel ,insure them and wear them .No point having nice watches and only wearing them in the house.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭893bet


    With how the value has gone the last month I have decided to limit the Patek to tractor work only.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I mentioned them earlier and with all this talk had to go looking for porn 😁

    That's the GOAT Rolex for me. Nails it IMHO. The British divers took the best of the two watches they were issued, that and the Omega 300 Seamaster and with their experience and requirements changed the bezels on both(for the better IMHO), installed solid bars, gave the Rollie the Omega handset and the Omega got a screwdown crown. Result. And yet again I'm surprised Rolex never released this as a special edition. I reckon it would fly off the shelves so fast the shockproofing would be sorely tested, especially as they go for north of 100k when they come up for sale. Maybe the 'Omega' handset is the sticking point?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 64,774 ✭✭✭✭unkel



    Now you mention it, I do take it off for benching myself 😁

    Not that I'm afraid of damaging it, I just feel it is in the way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 292 ✭✭pjdarcy




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    I wore one for months and it was a grand bracelet. Better than any GS bracelet I have tried or say the bracelet on the new zenith chronomeister. Sure it's a bit light and the pressed clasp is a little bulky but totally wearable. And has a good look. The new ones are better but I think the 5 digit refs get a bad rep. Try a ap bracelet it's like high heals worn for style not comfort...hell even the venerable speedmaster pro bracelet causes many wearers issues myself included.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    We talk about size and shape of watch cases and how they can feel better or worse depending on an individual wrist(the Speedie a good example of that), but I'd add bracelets into that mix too. Rate of wear another aspect that's tied up with design. The three link type like the Rolex and others are far more prone to stretch and droop than the more 1970's style single piece type. My 74's Seamaster bracelet came to me well worn and I polished and rebrushed it, but even so it doesn't droop. A three piece type from any brand(unless NOS) of that age would be in dire need of viagra. The single piece type is more expensive to make though. The difficulty and cost of bracelets is rarely written about. One of the biggest hurdles the AP Royal Oak had was in the manufacture of the bracelet(and the case was enough of a pain).

    The history of bracelets is an interesting one. Leather and cloth had been the mainstays until the 1920's when steel bracelets started to come along. Steel had been a pain to machine and one reason why early wristwatches were more likely to be silver and gold, or brass and plated. Innovations in manufacturing changed that. Still, other than Bonklip style mostly for the military guys, bracelets in any metal don't really figure that commonly until the 1950's(and far more in the US). Though this was something Rolex got in on early enough compared to the other brands.

    !953 advert. Now you did see bracelets in other watch ads, but not nearly to the same degree(their bracelet design hasn't changed much either). Note the "not an extravagance" and "at a moderate cost" bits. Calendar watches were generally pretty pricey as it was seen as a complication, the Rolex wasn't, but was still good quality.

    They didn't invent the date window(Girard Perregaux/Mimo), but they were one of the few to embrace and promote it, until everyone had to. Same with the GMT(Longines), now you say GMT and watch people will think "Rolex". Ditto for the automatic movement(Harwood), though Fortis and Eterna share credit there. Wilsdorf again being a towering marketing genius who ended up driving many aspects of it. Rolex were one of the least innovative Swiss brands out there, however they(Wilsdorf) were incredibly good at spotting other's innovations that nobody else did, or didn't bother with and bringing them to the masses and making them must haves and in the past at more affordable prices with it. They deserve serious kudos for that.

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