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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,431 ✭✭✭testtech05


    Thought there was at least enough in it to turn over the penalty in our favour.


    Going back to the yellow I thought it was fair enough by the rules but was very surprised Lowry didn't ha e to go for a HIA aswell. I think same was the case when zebo hit him and was red carded a few weeks back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,317 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    Wooten would have woken up next week had that connected. Very surprised he just got away scot free. In fact Ulster got the penalty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    That can’t be a red. Lowry causes the incident he’s 5’7 and he dips at the last second to go probably well under five feet. Sullivan is going to make a perfectly legal low-mid chest tackle and Lowrys actions cause a clash. It shouldn’t even be a yellow for me but no chance it’s a red.

    Definitely won’t be a popular view but if Joy Neville was James Neville wouldn’t be reffing at this level. Just repeatedly makes very poor mistakes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Brewster


    You can’t blame Lowry. The tackling player needs to be aware of the player he is tackling. If we are going to be serious about player welfare, then players simply need to be more aware of the situation. On balance, Lowry is going down and this is mitigating. On reflection, yellow card is the right decision. There is so much force in the hit. Connacht player didn’t return such was force of hit. Joy Neville is a fine ref, she has been involved in many games and proven herself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Brewster


    Cracking turnover and finish. Super final pass.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Earlier you were insistent it was a red now admit it’s a yellow.

    I agree we need to be serious about player welfare but things need to be taken in context. Lowry is 5’7 officially and those stats are generally inflated in my experience for all players so he’s prob not even that.

    When Sullivan commits to the tackle he’s committing to a tackle four and a half feet off the ground, perfectly legal perfectly low. Lowry dips a head suddenly at the very last second and there is a clash. There is no serious argument for that to be a red otherwise people will just have to stand off Lowry or maybe dive at his ankles and you might be safe. Rugby incident and not a yellow as the BBC Ulster co commentator said.

    As for Neville I have seen many of her games and she’s a poor ref. She’s only at reffing five years, she was promoted up far too quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Prendergast is everywhere, getting through absolute mountain of work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Brewster


    Look, to be fair, I said it could have easily been a red on first viewing, having considered it, I changed my mind and agreed on yellow. I’m watching on premier, and Ferris and Keatley both said yellow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Brewster


    Doak looks like he has the tools to get by Casey. He has a decent chance of going on summer tour to NZ if he has a big end to season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,103 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    There goes Connacht's Heineken cup qualification for next year.

    Cardiff will surely beat them to 8th with 2 games at hand

    Ban billionaires



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Fair enough. I don’t understand their view because they’re basically saying you can’t tackle Lowry in that scenario where’s he catching a ball which will happen a lot obviously as he is at 15. When a guy that small dips he’s gonna make 80% of tackles illegal by that criteria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,431 ✭✭✭testtech05


    Another poor result in the end just couldn't get any sort of possession or field position all evening.

    Defended well at times but often turned over possession straight after a great defensive set etc.

    Ulster deserved winners. We just don't have the depth in our squad once ya go past a certain point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Brewster


    That’s it. Players are going to need to adjust. I’m not saying it is easy for the tackler when they are committed, it’s very hard when Lowry is in that position. But you can’t make excuses because of Lowry’s height.

    Comfortable enough for Ulster. Connacht tackled their hearts out though. Oliver and Prendergast were fantastic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Brewster


    I think Ulster would have targeted this game after the Aviva to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jimdemp


    Joy Neville was a disgrace. She really has it in for Connacht. Porch got a shoulder to the head she did nothing. 1st try she didnt check the blocking, second try she didnt check the grounding which looked to be held up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    You can blame heff for his deliveries or toh for his mismanagement. Fact is if you don't have the backup you are totally left exposed. Heff had nobody to deliver to and TOH had nobody to provide to. Prendergast is the guy in the lineout. You have to have these guys. They are the primary guys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,317 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    When everyone is available Connacht have a very decent side but once they have to dip into their bench and beyond the bench there are lads there that are stuggling at that level.

    On a bad run of results now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jimdemp


    Are you talking about the should to the head of porch in the first half which cause the handbags?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    You absolutely need to take into account Lowrys height for me - you can’t just give him a massive advantage where he drops his head and is getting a lad a yellow every week. He controls his movements.


    Harsh or not there’s a difference between a 6’0 guy and a 5’7 guy dropping a head.

    Sullivan was making a tackle four and a half feet high, that’s really reasonable. Irrelevant to the result but Lowry can’t just drop a foot and make that tackle illegal it’s ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jimdemp


    Tuimauga played well he is a loosehead playing tighthead



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Really frustrating to be bringing in fifita, bringing in tupimatu etc when they’re clearly not up to this level.

    Connacht need a lot of recruitment in the pack this summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Go back to the Munster thread Jim demp. We have enough pain to deal with without your opinion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Brewster


    I know it’s harsh. But rugby is for all shapes and sizes. The reality is now with the laws of the games, Sullivan has to be aware of the guy he is chasing and knowing that there is a chance he could dip. He absolutely needs to be lower to the ground, very low to ground, when he makes that tackle. It’s the tackler’s responsibility to get this right, depending on who he is tackling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Nope. There is a responsibility on Lowry too, he is in control of his movements, he is aware a tackle is immediately coming, he dips a foot at the last possible second and his actions make a perfectly legal tackle illegal. BBC Ulster commentator spot on - rugby incident move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Wayne Barnes used that exact reasoning in an international last season by the way, player committed to legal tackle opponent suddenly drops a foot, rugby incident move on. I would expect he is correct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis



    Agreed, but which part of the pack. For me, it's the front row, not just because of the penalties conceded in the scrum, but the contribution in the loose. I had higher expectations of Aungier and Duggan, this season, although Jordan has carried a heavy burden. They gave illo a senior contract, let's see him play. but we need at least one high quality recruit there.

    At second row, Dowling and Murray are great and getting better (we won the line out today), Thornbury will be back soon, but Leva hasn't contributed enough, so we need one more. In the back row, there's a clear gap now between Prendergast, Oliver and the rest. Boyle is of that standard but rusty right now, Murphy will bring a lot, but we need at least one or two more. There may be another recruit to be had from Leinster, and we have the boys who've just graduated from the academy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    And Doak winning player of the match was a travesty, Conor Oliver was THE ONE!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Brewster


    That wrong. If Lowry wants to dip, in the act keeping his balance, he is perfectly entitled to. There is nothing in the laws of the game that makes this illegal. I’m sure you will agree that he is not deliberately dipping in the hope of getting a shoulder in the head? If you agree with this, then the onus is back on the tackling player to take account of a possible dip when tackling. Lowry is a joy to behold, we need to protect him at all costs. If that means a few lads getting yellow cards, till the coaches of the opposition team realise who they are playing against and that they need be ultra careful, then so be it. We have got to protect the head at all costs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jimdemp


    Think youre being harsh on Tuimauga he was playing Loose head in the Mitre 10 Cup 4 months ago and is now playing tighthead against Ulster. Aungier is starting to look lightweight against the top teams and is suffering with injury as a result. Duggan is not strong at the scrum but when you have a lightweight second row its hard to judge. Connacht need a big 4 to rotate with Dowling.



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