Residents oppose new homes because it would "devalue their properties"

Kermit.de.frog · 03-02-2022 3:11am #1

Well, we've had bats, swans, visual amenity where there is none blah blah etc etc....

But it appears we finally have some honesty from the NIMBYs (many of them no doubt the exact same people screaming about housing)

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/blackrock-residents-oppose-seven-storey-frascati-apartment-scheme-1.4792076

The objection lodged by Dr William Killeen on behalf of the association said that he and its members “feel that any investment made in our houses run the risk of serious monetary impairment if the scheme is approved”.

A number of other objections have been lodged from the area, with Daniel Crean telling the council that “Ireland needs new houses – everyone deserves a home to live in, but it needs to be done in the appropriate manner and in the right location”.

Where is the right location? Just not near you? Just like they all say.

This is repeated up and down the country. Working class and wealthy areas - all the same delaying or stopping new housing units. Amazing how these locals get in touch with the concern of the local wildlife too at the most opportune times. At the same time they are being hounded by solicitors that happen to specialise in Judicial Reviews who are making a mint.

All hypocrites.

Which is why I welcome the moves underway to call a halt to vexatious and frivolous judicial reviews by every Tom Dick and Harry and make serial objectors pay.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/leo-varadkar-insists-controversial-planning-reforms-will-happen-despite-green-party-opposition-41306485.html

And the Sinn Féin party incidentally are among the biggest objectors while being the loudest on housing. Why would that be?

Peregrinus · 03-02-2022 4:16am

The issue here is not really the availability of judicial review or other forms of control on executive action. It's the rule to be applied by the executive, and by anyone reviewing the executive action.

From the report, the residents objection is (or their objections include) the fear that "“any investment made in our houses run the risk of serious monetary impairment if the scheme is approved”.

It should be clear as a matter of public policy, and as a principle of the laws controlling the development of land, that housing people is a bigger priority than maintaining the investment value of houses. If housing John means that Jane's investment in her home will perform less well (but she will still be housed) then it's a no-brainer; we should not refuse to house John in order to protect or enhance Jane's investment.

If that principle were clear, then there would be no point in running a judicial review on the argument that the development must not go ahead because it would risk impairing people's investment in their homes; the review would be bound to fail.

Conversely, if that principle isn't clear, then restricting judicial review won't really help.

fritzelly · 03-02-2022 5:00am

Mr Ryan needs to shut up and stick to his remit of getting the country to grow lettuce on their window sills - has there ever been a more useless party in the country?

Agree with LV to a certain degree - devaluing of a property due to new homes being built is incredulous, your property is still going to keep going up every year. Forty apartments being built near you isn't gonna turn the place in to Sheriff St ffs

This whole objection to every new building project has gone on far too long, unless it is a blight on the area or not in keeping with the area then there is no reason for it not to go ahead (I wouldn't expect a 10 storey apartment complex to be built where there are only cottages a mile square)

Kermit.de.frog · 03-02-2022 5:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573929#Comment_118573929

The objection culture in Ireland is a big part of the housing shortage and it is promoted by those on the "left".

It's a scandal and it's doing huge damage. The right density for Dublin, for example, is not being achieved because of this (anything over 4 floors people scream blue murder) and as a result there is too few units.

For some developers that could build it's not even worth it so they don't bother. Too much aggravation and expense.

Even if permission is given by the council - it's appealed to An Bord Pleanala - then it will go to Judicial Review - and then it could end up in Europe....at best years of delay.

fritzelly · 03-02-2022 5:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573932#Comment_118573932

It's not just housing - everything is worthy of an objection, the broadband rollout, intel, apple, so on and so on - it's surprising we even have roads in the country. You don't even have to live in the area to object ffs

Kermit.de.frog · 03-02-2022 5:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573933#Comment_118573933

Yeah remember that farmer in Leixlip?

Not only did he almost cost us billions in investment from Intel there - don't think for a second all that delay did not feature heavily (though not the only reason) in their Galway decision - which was basically to say "fcuk that"...

Quantum Erasure · 03-02-2022 5:54am

farmers can have a. sometimes irrational, attachment to land, which is understandable if it's been the family homestead for a hundred years or more, or even if it was just built up bit by bit over a lifetime of buying neighbouring lots that came up for sale... and shur i suppose people with something of a view out their bedroom window, faraway hills or the sea or something, might object to having that blocked by an estate of two story semi-d's, never mind a four or five story apartment block...

but having said that, if the house is the Principal Private Residence, a potential loss of value shouldn't come into it at all

rolling boh · 03-02-2022 7:06am

There's nothing new in this it's been happening for years particularly in better off areas .Property values are a national obsession in Ireland some cases with some justification fair enough but generally mostly nimbyism.

Packrat · 03-02-2022 7:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573935#Comment_118573935

You mean Thomas Reid? the man whose land the IDA tried to steal and hand over to a privately owned company?

Sick mentality of someone who supports a multibillion dollar multinational over a little persom trying to hang on to their property.

"We" nearly lost...

No, They, - IDA and Intel, weren't allowed to do as they pleased with someone else's property but in the end they'll force him off it anyway.

I'm all for CPOs when critical public infrastructure is involved but that case was simple theft.

Similar to what Donald Trump did to a man whose house he wanted near his golf course in Scotland.

Take a a special kind of bastard to cheerlead this..

malinheader · 03-02-2022 7:46am

It's not the buildings people should be worried about but more what kind of residents move into the building, this could of more of an impact on their homes.

zell12 · 03-02-2022 7:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118573965#Comment_118573965

https://www.thejournal.ie/residents-object-social-housing-2698513-Apr2016/ https://connachttribune.ie/councillors-anger-over-social-housing-in-private-estate-776/

kippy · 03-02-2022 8:32am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118574005#Comment_118574005

I think this is key.

I am not sure about "other countries" but in this country there is a general attitude that "social" housing is bad for those that don't require social housing. Social housing means antisocial behaviour etc etc.

We've lost the plot here. Social housing itself, is not the issue. As with many things in this country the issue is the way we, as a society, deal with those who do not behave within the rigours of the law. And this just isn't in relation to social housing. If you look at any societal issue, you can see that we don't deal well with law breakers and those who generally do not respect others. We appear to have a legal and judicial system that is obsessed with letting repeat offenders away with it, without recourse and a system of bureaucracy when it comes to laws and regulations to rival the worst in the world.

The actions of the few people (who live in some form of social housing) has tarred the whole term "social housing". This is not a housing problem (although we have a supply side issue on that too, some of which is caused by our attitude to social housing)

PopePalpatine · 03-02-2022 8:57pm

If someone could direct some junkies towards these tossers' front gardens to relieve themselves, that'd be great.

0ph0rce0 · 03-02-2022 9:06pm

I wouldn't mind but I'd say most of these fools objecting are never going to sell their houses anyway so what's the problem?

Residents oppose new homes because it would "devalue their properties"

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