Climate Bolloxolgy.

I wonder how many individuals are really driving this here?obviously some politicians,a good few civil servants who want to bend over for fdi. wonder are they being incentivised corruptly? it looks like we are not calling them out enough. wonder if we need to take a firmer stand against government instead of a few token marches to cork and Dublin . we don't seem to have people who can hold it together in the media to put their point across. farm lobby weakened by splits. we need to get more professional against the zealots and we need a Congress of farm unions to agree coherent response

I didn't anyway! but I do agree . he should not have been fired

It was small mindedness and begrudgery threw him out, not common sense. If there was an issue while I was involved, expert advice would've been found and used, I don't know if that's the case now. Also fighting it out on the media is a waste of time, public opinion only gives a s...te about their own issues. Farmers should be hounding their TDs on the inequities of what's going on but they're too lazy to do anything apart from whinge, four or five in every county meeting politicians once a month isn't near enough on this issue.

And announcement eminent here of herd cuts..

Action is needed, that much is evident.

But all we get is finger pointing at others saying 'they're the ones that need to change, not me' and meanwhile the above is what is happening in the real world.

Oh look at this. I think I ranted on this thread before about how farmers would get rode when it comes to the selling of carbon credits.

First up, we have talk of using ag credits to offset carbon in other sectors like airlines for example. That boils down to prioritising flying over food. This might be a good idea if a) only excess credits are sold after using available ones in ag first, and b) the owner of the ground capturing the carbon is rightly compensated for the work done to capture it.

And now, lo and behold, aren't we talking about our grass carbon capturing being underestimated. i.e. there's actually more there than we thought so we can sell more. Woohoo.

Someone is going to cream this and the farmer will be left to do the work and then be penalised for not doing it or not doing it right. It's amazing how people can make money out of literally the air and sell things from land they don't own.

Edit to add that this ban on burning green waste is another sham. You're not allowed manage trees now if they overhang. If a tree overhangs on a road, what do you do with the limbs now? Pay a fortune to someone to chip it or mulch it? Horse it into the ditch? And hedges will be savaged if this derogation is extended for a year so they can be managed more easily from then on. I know it's what I'll do if a derogation comes in for 2022.

Someone needs to approach a lawyer and ask who owns the carbon credits. I can't see how it would legally be anyone other than the farmer. Isn't this the sort of thing a farmers federation should be doing?

Christian Holzleithner DG Climate Action EU Commission stated yesterday that the credits belong to the farmer.

Watch however how our processors will push for producers to allow these credits to be inset (as opposed to offset) within the processing system, to deliver a canbon neutral product at consumer level.

That was mentioned at a climate conference online recently in the UK.

Who the carbon credits belong to. It was mentioned that the processors will want those credits for the products on the supermarket shelves.

I agree. The trouble is if you trade them off. You're expecting some business if you don't sell direct to the consumer yourself to buy your product with no carbon rating.

All it takes is for the first farmer to give those credits away with their produce and the game is over before it even started.

Have no doubt, the farmer WILL receive something for the credits. Most likely linked to CAP. You'll get a few bob for farming in a certain way, or having a low stocking rate, or having trees sown, or hedge managing, etc. Loads of ways they'll give a few euro and it will be lapped up. Meanwhile, the carbon will be traded on your behalf by someone else and what they make vs. what you get will be miles apart.

The worst thing is the credits be sold outside of agriculture. Allowing the likes of fuel companies and airline etc to advertise galore about how they are good for the planet as they pass money between each other. All the while, the man on the ground doing the actual work gets nothing, and their industry won't ever get "clean" as the carbon work done by them will be sold off somewhere else.

TL;DR Ag will never be carbon neutral as the carbon will be traded away to other industries. Ag will then be expected to do more as we're the only industry that can, but for someone elses gain. Same as it ever was really

Agreed, millions of tons of my rock is under the M6 for which I received no compensation, you only own the top 3inches if even that

The value we got was only the land value plus the injurious affection to the enterprise on the farm.

Had the land been registered as a quarry we would've been entitled to payment for the rock

Happened on the M7/M8 too. Routes chosen were purposefully done to go through rock formations so they could be quarried out of one part of the route to be used in another while only compensating for the land taken and not what was dug up from underneath