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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,480 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Being appalled about Trump’s 2016 win goes double. Worse, he could win 2024.

    Many of the GOP controlled state legislators are passing voter restricting laws that may favor Republicans in both 2022 and Trump in 2024. Like greatly reducing or eliminating ballot collection boxes in high population cities that tend to vote for Democrats. Reducing time when polls are open where large populations have to stand in lines for hours to vote. Reducing or cutting off the days following the official Election Day when votes count. Eliminating mail in ballots. Making sure that there is no day off from employment on Election Day. Passing a law that allows the GOP controlled state legislature to throw out the normal election results that may favor a opposition party winner, and substituting their losing party candidate as the winner. This list goes on and on.

    Like you said. They are playing the game to win. Especially in GOP legislative controlled swing states. Focusing on the Electoral College votes, and not the popular vote. This way Trump could repeat 2016 and not 2020.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    So trump could win the next election but lost the popular vote 3 times - yikes



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,480 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    One person, one vote doesn’t hold true in the USA presidential elections. Consequently Trump can win in the ancient Electoral College, but lose the popular vote by millions, as he did in 2016 and probably 2024.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,192 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You should look in to the practice of Gerrymandering and how it influences US Government progression.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,410 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Is it possible that states with a currently Republican-majority legislature could implement legislation which gives them emergency powers to suspend election certification in the event where they believe their elections to be compromised and instead send a group of electors chosen directly by the state legislature or are there enough constitutional mechanisms in place to block such a move? I've seen speculation on this, but it's hard for me to tell if it's just sensationalism/fear-mongering or not.

    Because if states started doing that, you could still say, "Well, it's really all about the electoral college..." but in reality it would be obvious that the paradigm has fundamentally shifted.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,480 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Such Republican controlled state legislators can claim that their election maybe compromised without legal proof, if they pass laws that allow their legislators to vote on what they feel to be the case. Of course their feeeeeeelings may be consistent with substituting electors for their state in support of Trump, even if in reality Trump lost in 2024.

    Recently I read something about groups of Republicans in states where Trump lost in 2020 sending an alternative slate of electors to DC. These were not appointed by their GOP state legislators, and not approved by the state governors, but they still tried it on behalf of Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Popular vote is meaningless because everyone knows it's about the EC.

    Going on about the popular vote is like saying the best team is the one that scores the most goals in the season. It might help, but every team knows it's about points, not goals scored. If it was down to goals scored, every team would focus on scoring the most goals.

    Just like if the popular vote decided elections, Trump would spend more time trying to win over the populous areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,219 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    And yet the point is constantly made, including by Trump himself, about how no sitting President ever got 75m votes, and how he got more votes than he did in 2016.

    The popular vote is repeatedly used as a way of saying how great Trump is when it suits that argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,634 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    New: Some Trump White House documents handed over to the Jan. 6 committee had to be taped back together by the National Archives because they had been ripped up, the agency said in a statement to CNN.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It was long reported that Trump kept ripping up papers - The ingrained habits of a grifter - every time he was handed a document to read, his natural instinctive reaction is to rip it up to destroy any evidence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,599 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover



    1) More responsible environmental policies cost the electorate more money. Trump's pollution friendly policies will put more money in people's pocket in the short term. Many people will vote for the person that they think will make them wealthier, simple as. Let's not forget, Trump believes in reviving the coal industry!

    Let's also remember how many people in the US simply don't even BELIEVE in Climate Change (Mainly as the result of Interest group lies)

    2) Trump is a master at spreading disinformation. God only knows what he will unleash next and how may will believe it.

    No more needs to be said here.

    3) The financial repercussions of covid that Biden will have to deal with are massive and this will hurt many. Sufficient numbers may conclude that Trump would have handled the situation better.

    This could actually swing either way. If there is a global upturn in world economy throughout the next 6-18 months as the result of emerging from the pandemic (Or at the least, reduction of restrictions) then this could help Biden. Certainly every politician internationally will claim responsibility for the improvement in their own country's post-pandemic recovery. You will be forgiven for thinking that Biden, Johnson, Martin personally dragged everyone from the Pandemic mud.

    4) Some independents may simply vote for Trump because he is "anti-establishment" and things are not working out for them. Like a protest vote.

    That certainly may have happened in 2016. Clinton was not very well liked outside of her party lines (Even within her party lines). However I believe that true independents will not do this again, given the divisive nature of the horror-show that was his presidency. Regardless of any of his foreign policies or anything, his cheerleading and active participation in sowing hatred and fear and mistrust in the American people (Again, simply for profit and to get back into office) will surely have horrified genuine independents.

    5) If the whole "Russia situation" goes south, this could also work in Trump's favour.

    This is a loss either way. Either he gets involved militarily in which case he's a war-monger. Or he doesn't in which case he's a pussy (Ready for the grabbing). You can already see the white-hood.... I mean red-hat brigade already spouting this.

    6) Arrogance: Many Democratic voters may assume that they don't need to vote. Big mistake!

    This. Yep, IMHO, this is how he got in in the first place: Arrogance and Apathy. And this 100000% could happen again in 2024.


    Biden's an old hand, and a capable politician in the conventional sense, but he's not a particularly inspirational figure. Kamala Harris seems a divisive figure, like she's a target for all the guff about gender/race quotas and seems too left-leaning for middle-America.

    This is what I meant by my previous comment "there is no denying the fact that Biden does not have the force that trump has.". And yes, Harris is too female and too dark for Americans to vote her in as President. TBH, I don't think they'd have voted Obama if he was only running now. Certainly if he was running now, after Trump's Presidency.


    Edit: Fixed typos

    Post edited by TheIrishGrover on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    2024: Personally, I believe there is a massive risk he will win. Not the popular vote. But the EC - I think all the changes will impact the democrat vote

    My only hope is that he will be prosecuted before then. But how???? He is like frickin Teflon. Any thoughts on this? What is the likelihood of him being prosecuted, for what, and how and who?

    Saying that, news from the Jan 6 committee today about interviews with Pence's staffers do seem positive...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,599 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    What is the likelihood of him being prosecuted, for what, and how and who?

    Zero. He's a politician... a rich politician... a rich politician in AMERICA. Too much money. Too powerful. Too many of his dangerous klan willing to resort to violence/threats of violence. He won't even enter a courtroom unfortunately.


    I hope I am wrong but I don't believe I am.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    How about Jared and Ivanka as some kind of double act, pair of them would empty Fort Knox within the first year and have MBS/Putin/Kim Jong all at the WH for a week's partying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,037 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The NYAG disagrees with your assessment. their case against him for fraud is well advanced.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Sadly the NYAG case doesn't come with a threat of jail/conviction.

    They can issues heavy fines and sanctions like forcing them to wind up with companies or ban them from holding directorships/office with a compnay etc.

    Could still really really hurt Trump , but won't put him in Jail.

    The Manhattan DA case though is a criminal case and could result in Jail time for some people - not Donald Sr for sure , but Eric might be at risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,037 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Sorry, manhattan DA not NY. Not sure why he you think donald isn't in danger. the crimes were committed under on his watch.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I think the Manhattan stuff has focused on Eric and the other kids based on them "officially" running the day to day business even though Snr was all over it.

    I also think that Senior will happily throw Eric and Junior to the wolves to save himself.

    Put it this way if Donald J Trump goes to jail, the kids (and several others) will already be there , there's absolutely zero chance that he takes the hit to save them and goes to Jail alone.

    They aren't going to jail all of them and Eric is low man on the family Totem here so he goes 1st.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,529 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    He's gonna be so mad when he finds out I shared this ...


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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Pathetic con artist. I really feel sorry for his supporters

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    The syntax is just a step away from Fonejacker



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,550 ✭✭✭✭astrofool




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,192 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Less than 2% chance of him being prosecuted in my view. And I'm just pulling that from thin air.

    He's very close to being able to argue that any step to prosecute him is politically motivated because it will impact the 2024 election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,599 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    God, if that's real then it's basically a Nigerian Prince scam. It looks too bad to be real though.... Surely.... Right.... right?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Very True,

    He's caught between announcing that he's running so he can look to get all the court cases shut down and not announcing yet so he can keep raking in cash from anyone who'll pay without having to abide by campaign finance laws.

    As always with Trump though , the money is more important so he will hold off announcing officially until the very last possible moment so he can grift as much money as possible before any campaign rules apply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    If nothing else it tells you the intellectual level of the people he's aiming that at. Or what he thinks their intellectual level is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,219 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I'm sure somewhere in America, there's someone currently shouting "Hey Missy! President Trump just invited me to dinner! He asked for me specifically, he even called me Friend!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,037 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    It is very similar to previous grifting emails from him. No reason to suspect it is fake.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,219 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I wonder why Trump recommended that Capitol security be substantially increased on the day of his rally if he had no idea that his supporters would attack the Capitol like they did...



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