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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    What an equivocal, evasive and weasel-like reply to a straight question.

    You know full well what the forces and material build-up is for, you just don't want to post it because you've spent the entire thread polluting peoples eyeballs with off-topic nonsense and conspiracy theories to derail discussion of what Russia is up to. And secondly, it's embarrassing to you given the stance you've taken.

    The kindest possible interpretation is that Putin is using the threat of war to crowbar a sovereign state away from its own freely chosen path and to extract geopolitical concessions, the worst-case scenario is he fully intends to invade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    your ‘contributions’ to the thread remind me of Ross O’Carroll-Kelly for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I'd say that's the extent of your reading list and literary material on your bookshelf alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    There's that 'everyone' again. So you've no examples of me attacking?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭MFPM




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Military exercises to demonstrate capability and deter military adventurism by its neighbours? Russia carried out the Tsentr 2019 exercises which by all accounts involved 128,000 troops, 600 aircraft and 15 naval vessels. Kavkaz 2020 was a military exercise involving 80,000 troops. So 100,000 troops isn't unusual for a Russian military exercise. Either way, their presence has already made Ukraine think again before launching an offensive against the Russian separatists in the east of the country.

    If you want to know what an invasion force looks like, Gulf War 1 - the invasion of Iraqi occupied Kuwait - involved close to a million troops, including 700,000 US troops. 100,000 is nowhere near enough to take Ukraine (roughly 35 times larges than Kuwait, 10 times the population) , let alone hold it.

    And perhaps the redeployment of troops is simply a decision by Russia that it needs to treat its Ukrainian border more seriously than it has in the past and increased troops guarding the Russian border is the new normal.

    You're very quick to throw out insults at other posters, but maybe you should spend the time thinking more. None of the above requires any special knowledge. Just common sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Definitely looking like a concerted effort to either derail or close to the thread all together ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    Yes that's one interpretation that I would regard as most realistic, that Russia is putting all those troops on the border as a warning to Ukraine over their strengthening ties with the USA, this does not mean an invasion is imminent, the situation would have to escalate severely for that to happen. The same thing would and has happened if Russia was getting too close to one of America's neighbors, America would feel threatened and would also react in the same way.

    I along with the Ukrainian president don't believe the American narrative that the troops are there for an "imminent invasion" and that Russia is "currently planning a false flag attack against their own people as a pretext for the invasion".

    Try and put yourself in Russias shoes for just a moment, If America was building increasingly close ties with Mexico, ties which would very much strengthen the Russian position if a future world conflict broke out, then the United States would rightfully so want this to stop for their own security. They would not let Russia strengthen it's security at the cost of their own.

    I patiently wait now to be labelled a conspiracy theorist who has fell victim to Russia propaganda. I am simply taking a realistic non Hollywood look at the situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    We're past conspiracy theories at this Stage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    No one has disputed your right to reply as you wish. It's your inconsistent chastising I'm taking issue bug you've just acknowledged that's what you're doing so it's all good.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    What military adventurism has Ukraine been up to pray to tell? Are we now making the case that Russian sovereign territory has been or is under any sort of military threat from Ukraine?

    Russian (and indeed other major powers) military exercises last no more than a week and they pack up and go home. They've been camped out for weeks now. You may be soft in the head and want to believe or posit the idea that this scenario is a vanilla military drill, everyone else knows better.

    If you don't like insults, don't post silly stuff. I'm not even being insulting really, some of the guff being posted here is braindead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    BoJo in Kiev today, doing a Biden running from his problems back home and hoping for a bit of strongman positive publicity.

    There is something really nauseating about these guys riding to defend a nation and talk about humanitarian disasters when it suits their interests. Imagine this guy jetting into Palestine to stand againt Israeili mass slaughter or him refusing to sell munitions and weaponry to the Saudi war machine, or flying to Santiago to support the Chilean gov against US interference? No, I can't imagine it either!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    There's that 'imminent' invasion again...never mind Biden and Putin's exit strategy, the real issue is how you and the rest of the pro Western Imperialism brigade explain the non invasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Hello and welcome aboard the Trans-Siberian Tinfoil Hat Express - calling at Iraq Central, Liyba Parkway, change at My Lai Junction for services to the Santiago diversionary posting line. This train does not serve Russia, as some of the passengers refuse to recognize the place if it hit them in the face. We wish you a pleasant journey and hope you come back to reality soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    It's amazing to me that people can simultaneously not get over what happened to Ukraine in 2014 and yet still pretend a childlike naivete as to the consequences of 2014. They have learned nothing and forgotten nothing, to paraphrase.

    Let me bring you up to speed. Since 2014 there are Russian separatist republics in east Ukraine. Russia has a declared interest in those republics. They will intervene - with far more than sanctions - if Ukraine attempts to defeat the separatists. That is the reality of the situation, regardless of what you think is right or wrong about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Critical analysis and thought is now 'anti'...is this were we are really at..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    I have to say this is an absolutely beautiful, well written analysis on the situation, far removed the Hollywood Western propaganda narrative on the situation. This post should be pinned onto the OP.

    Yes I know I wrote it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    You seem unable to contribute anything interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Hahaha, you sausage, you forgot to log into the other account!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    I edited it straight after claiming I know I wrote it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Sure thing champ. Do you usually quote your own posts telling yourself how amazing you are?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    No I never have before, I just read it back there a few minutes ago and couldn't help but acknowledge the beauty of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @MFPM BoJo in Kiev today, doing a Biden running from his problems back home and hoping for a bit of strongman positive publicity.


    What are you actually on about ...


    We're you in the same squadron as the other one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Careful there @jmreire will be along in a minute to admonish your snide remarks...oh actually he won't, your one of his lot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    What am I on about? Do you follow politics at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭MFPM




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    He's obviously fairly young judging by his posting history, he puts laughing emojis in reply to most comments to try and discredit anyone he disagrees with and labels them conspiracy theorists who have fell victim to Russian propaganda for going against the Western narrative of events. He's completely convinced that the American narrative of events is 100% correct, he's absolutely convinced that an invasion is "imminent" and that Russia is "currently planning a false flag attack against it's own people as a pretext for the invasion".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Indeed, don't worry though Yurt, most people here understand why the seminal geopolitical event of the 21st century and the undermining and weakening of US imperialism as a consequence is a factor in the current approach of the US to Nato expansion and thus a certain backdrop to events in Ukraine.

    Oh and of course the small matter that the US are prepared to flatten any country or people who stand in the way of their interests...irrespective of human rights, democracy etc..

    The fact that you're confused and bemused says more about you than the people raising Iraq..



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