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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Why would you actively promote ignoring a disease? The Danes have largely downgraded it, the UK too and we are not far off. The NPHET/HSE position is that we begin to do the same and our last real measure of disease here is the hospitals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    We're basically there at this stage. As @is_that_so says, we're not going to actively tell people to ignore it, ever, but once we start getting on with life without lettng it dominate every decision, then we're at normality.

    I know anything pre-Covid is hard to remember at this stage, but the HSE have always run ad campaigns about 'flu awareness during 'flu season, advising people to get vaccinated, wash hands, use tissues, etc.

    So this kind of messaging is going to be with us indefinitely. But everything will go back to normal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    I see that the DFA report was out last night. Clear acknowledgement it was a big mistake - in the greater scheme of things it was not nearly as big a mistake as others made during that time. Sinn Fein want another report - do they want an independent report to say it was a massive mistake? Heads to roll?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭ganoga


    Weekend-long Canada anti-vax protest riles Ottawa (rte.ie)

    A "Freedom Convoy" of trucks joined by thousands of demonstrators brought Ottawa to a virtual standstill for a second day yesterday to protest Canada's vaccine mandates

    why is protesting vaccine mandates == anti-vax according to rte? Or there was already an anti-vax protest that the truckers decided to join in with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The protest about vaccine mandates on principle is a small part of the protest. The vast majority of those in attendance are anti-vax.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,654 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Its the same way all anti-restrictions protests in Ireland were "anti-vax", its a catch all slur for anything vaguely anti-restrictions. Doesnt matter how many jabs you've gotten, you could even have all covid jabs - criticize restrictions and youre an anti-vaxxer. Lazy reporting as usual from RTE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭ShadowTech


    How can you possibly known that? Is it not just as easy to claim the opposite? Is this a fact based on data or your opinion expressed as though it’s a fact?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭J6P


    624 in hospital

    Less than 500 by the weekend looks a possibility



  • Posts: 695 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He has no clue but he simply cant accept that people willing to be vaccinated themselves respect the rights of those who choose not to be vaccinated.

    He cant accept either that many vaccinated people dont want to show papers to get a cup of tea in Starbucks, these people want the Government to get out of their faces and thats why they join protests against mandatory vaccinations.

    At the back of their minds is they took a two dose vaccine that turned into a three and could have turned into a four,five or six dose and at that point they might have refused any more of the vaccine and became an anti vaccer themselves.

    We now have a situation where large vaccination centres are still in operation and up to 500,000 doses of the vaccines will expire shortly.

    Are these vaccination centres empty and if so why arent they closed down, we have pharmacies and GP surgeries to adminiister vaccines efficiently so why are we wasting money on mass vaccination centres.

    While the vaccinations we have are expiring we are continuing to receive up to 100,000 doses every week, these will presumably all expire too as if people are unwilling to be boosted now they most certainly will not be boosted in the summer if the covid cert for travel goes.

    These vaccines cannot be donated to the poorer countries after arrival to Ireland as they have to be donated directly from the manyfacturers facilities, why are we accepting vaccines we dont need while poorer countries cant get their hands on vaccines.Maybe some will go to waste in the poorer countries too but some will be used as first doses and surely its better to send them to countries with no vaccines than us taking them while we are binning hundreds and thousands of vaccines we already have.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    It does seem incredible that any European country can have vaccines simply expiring when other countries need supplies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It is disappointing that many countries can't look beyond their own borders at a stage when a drive to get numbers up worldwide would benefit us all.



  • Posts: 695 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    we dont even need to look beyond our own borders, we dont need 100,000 doses arriving every week.

    Very little media coverage of missing text messages sent by Ursula when the vaccine deals were being signed, these texts are part of the public record so publish them.

    But non stop coverage about Boris and birthday cakes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭Skygord




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    The trucker protest started out because they wanted the certs and the mandatory quarantine dropped when returning from across the US border. It appears to have gained traction beyond that single issue, but I have no idea how you can possible know that

    The vast majority of those in attendance are anti-vax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    The trucker protests began as opposition to the vaccine mandate in Ottawa which affects a minority of truckers but is opposed by many more. Truckers control the food supply. Does any trucker want to cede control of supply lines to the awful Trudeau who has now fled into hiding like some Roman patrician during the sack of Rome? He has created this instability himself with his unbalanced words and actions. Canada, France and Australia have made it difficult for soft-sellers to pass off their actions as banal matters of 'medical necessity'. Respect the human person and their choice of what medicines they will take.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Went to check on appointment date for my sons second vaccination this morning, and they've added an online queueing system. Surprised as I imagine the traffic numbers have hugely dwindled in recent weeks.

    *puts on tinfoil hat*

    Unless they know something's coming....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Where does the 100k a week delivery figure come from? And the 500k about to expire?

    If it's moderna, we couldn't actually donate them as they need to be donated from source (the supplier, moderna needs to ship from the factory to the place it's being donated to and look after the cold chain) Up until late last year they were not allowing orders to be donated so it was not easy to donate moderna to covax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Likely the not quite it's all over declaration has put a brake on things. After the Christmas rush it does seem to have eased off and mass vaccination systems are due to be stood down in the not too distant future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Maybe so, but all the more odd to spend, probably a considerable amount of, money on a new feature.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's the convenience of it and it's just a variation on the online vaccine booking forms they've been using since April 2021 with probably a change in some fields and not that hard to do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    It's fairly obvious tbh, not just looking at the new reports; even going into the cesspit of sites and people that support the protest.

    Outside of a few hundred truckers driving in convoy, they've been joined/hijacked by all of the lunatic groups bulking out those walking on foot. There are reports of groups carrying Nazi flags pissing on war monuments,

    https://twitter.com/texxto/status/1487478364919185418?s=20&t=Pk7nHG1WV1nNVgDALtGB2A

    It's like when you have a legitimate protest against issues like housing in Dublin and then PBP and Sinn Féin turn up with their banners, and before you know it, it's a left-wing rally rather than a coheret protest.

    That's what happened to this. Hijacked by scumbags, message lost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Any protest left or right or undefined can be glommed onto by fringe groups. If you believe the original message is now tainted due to guilt by association that's a choice you've made to believe that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    It's quite telling the calibre of human that these things attract. Too much time on their hands and not enough brain cells in their heads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I won't dismiss that these things happen. Your view has some plausibility. But I find your evidence for 'the vast majority being anti-vaxxers' a bit thin tbh. Also it does not invalidate the original issue. You could invalidate anything by association.

    I could say covid containment policies are all lunacy and point in the direction of ISAG and it would be the exact same thing would it not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    The FTs guys stats are amazing

    Well worth a follow on Twitter


    So as of Jan 2022 Omicron is only twice as deadly as the seasonal flu in the over 60s & the above.

    Funnily enough it would appear that flu is now more fatal in the under 40s.

    Blow it up ref, it's over



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The biggest problem with any anti-restrictions protests seem to be the hijackers. Removes the likelihood of any non-extremists turning up and kills the legitimacy of the protest. Was the exact same here, if Gemma O'Doherty and co are running the protest, normal people won't show up.



  • Posts: 695 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Reported in the Irish Times, we are getting a delivery of 100,000 vials a week.

    we could take the initiative and say we have no need for these vaccines so dont send them to us. We cant off load them to Uganda so if we are getting a monthly supply of 400,000 doses you can see how the wastage is mounting up.

    The HSE has reported wastage of up to 200,000 and they expected this figure to get to 300,000 by end of Jan and there is the potential to end up with 500,000 vaccines expiring.

    There simply isnt the demand for 100,000 doses a week, anyone willing to take a booster has already done so.

    How are we even disposing of these quantities going to waste, do they end up in Landfill.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭ShadowTech


    Yes, there are reports of disgusting behaviour. There are clearly scumbags involved. That does not mean the majority of people taking place in the protest are in any way related to that behaviour. You made a claim that the vast majority in attendance are anti-vax but have now moved your claim to the protest having lost its message/legitimacy because it's been "hijacked by scumbags", which is a completely different argument

    Firstly, you have no way of knowing "the vast majority" are anti-vax. This is you presenting your worldview as fact. For example, I am 100% in support of vaccines and 100% against locking people out of society with vaccine passports, etc. I would happily protest against what I argue are unacceptable and coercive measures while still arguing with anyone around me that they should take the vaccines to protect themselves.

    Secondly, the press is hardly going to report something like: "99.9% of everyone at the protests today peacefully demanded the government end what they see as discriminatory legislation". It's not sexy, there's no drama, etc. The news always reports on the crazy people, the hateful people, or the stupid people.

    So yes, in any large group of people there are usually a few absolute bastards. That does not mean the "overwhelming majority" are. It also doesn't mean the fringe defines the majority.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    On the protesting thing there's been marches organised in the past, for housing, childcare resources etc, that I would have loved to have attended but for the knowledge they'd be hijacked by Shinners.



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