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Things you wish you'd known when researching / buying your electric car

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,651 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    They you have to go out buy a monitor fit it , take Manual readings submit them just as they make a bill.

    you can’t manage what you don’t measure

    The tariffs should change, I’m surprised that the regulator hasn’t done anything yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,329 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Regulator will do feck all...

    It's hardly difficult to send in a meter reading.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,651 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    It’s an inconvenience and for many people it is hard. Meters in houses can be awkward to get at, meters in apartments can be harder



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I know. That’s why I said one variant of the Zoe in my original post ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,442 ✭✭✭✭ELM327




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 cadencep45


    not quite true. They enable price gouging only if you switch to a smart plan. If you have solar panels, allow you to be paid ( poorly - but thats another story ! ). But you do not have to switch plan, but note if you do, its a one way trip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,640 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I wish I'd known when researching my electric car that the price of public charging was going to double while the price of diesel was going to drop. Don't get me wrong, I'm still saving a fortune because I mostly home charge but the fact they kept their plans to charge 70c/kWh quiet for so long is rather annoying



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭Ev fan


    Charging overnight on wet nights - water ingress with the Charging flap open.

    Smart meter knowledge- night rates - leading to higher day rates - leading to installing batteries etc etc - works well for me now but wasn't aware of all the implications at the start

    That fast charging would improve a lot - in the early days had to use granny charging when visiting friends in Dublin

    That EV batteries are a lot more robust and will last a long time once treated reasonably

    That dealers know little about intricacies of EVs especially when something is amiss minor/major with your EV - although I think this is improving as knowledge and experience in dealing with EVs is expanding

    That EVs are still on a steep development curve and hence that significantly better EVs (batteries/powertrain/hardware and software etc etc) will continue to launch over the next 5 years or so - it will be interesting to see when major EV developments might plateau



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    4 years ago diesel was 1.10 a litre and public fast charging was never cheap (granted, slow AC was mostly free).

    The point about public charging is that although it is spicy, nobody uses it to completely fill up - you just do a splash & dash getting the minimum you need.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,640 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    4 years ago, September 2021, public fast charging was 33c per kWh at ESB, €8 for a fill at Ionity and free at many charge points

    The ESB rate of 33c/kWh, using the rough 3:1 ratio, is 99c/L equivalent. Today the 66c/kWh rate is the equivalent of €1.98/L and is largely affecting resale values of EVs as it discourages those without a driveway from considering electric as diesel sits at about €1.60/L



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Why aren't the vast majority of drivers, those with driveways, not considering electric cars?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Was that ESB fast charging actually fast? I don't mean the up to 50kwh stations.

    8 euro for a complete fill at Ionity was something I never saw - might have predated my EV ownership? The free chargepoints I did enjoy, until slowly but surely they were removed on the sly.

    Also I don't think you can draw a parallel between 66c/kwh and 1.98/L of diesel - wouldn't it vary significantly among older/newer diesels for starters? I had a diesel for many years that wouldn't see north of 35mpg, yet it was 'normal' to me. So even moving to electricity at 1 euro per kwh it's cheaper for me than going the equivalent distance in my previous diesel, for the most part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    that charging at a public charger is more expensive than diesel. I was amazed

    I find warming the car interior up not as good as a diesel car

    that motorway driving at 120km per hour drains so much of the battery.

    Love my EV though. I'll be interested to see how the range performs in winter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,640 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Because it always seems to be the minority who don't have driveways who seem to be having the most influence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,465 ✭✭✭positron


    More of a solar thing but… combination of facts that the car I have (Model 3) cannot do v2l or v2g; Feed-in-tariff will drop and eventually disappear, and even if Octopus or some other provider starts offering dynamic pricing, I can't really take advantage of the 50 or so kWh battery sitting idle on the driveway.

    In fairness, I might have still bought the Model 3 over other cars (considerably cheaper for the features and the range you get) but I could have considered other options a bit more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,442 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    ESB only had 43-50KW DC chargers when it was free to use. These were part of various projects mostly EU funded and granted to ESB ecars for free.

    8 euro was the intro rate for Ionity and it was great, 75kWh for 8 euro into my S !

    Nowadays it doesn't make sense to buy an EV if you can't charge at home or work. The fuel cost exceeds an equivalent petrol or diesel. Crazy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Well…the elec cost might exceed the fuel cost of a modern and efficient petrol/diesel, but a majority of EV buyers are moving from older vehicles, perhaps a lot less efficient, and for whom even high kwh charges meet or beat previous fuel spend.

    I mentioned above that the kw/h charge would need to go above 1 euro before it became more expensive to run than my old diesel SUV - and we're not anywhere near that yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,372 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I’m “considering” - but given I’ve greatly reduced weekly commute by about 66% and my ancient petrol car is still road worthy and alive, and there’s a perfectly good modern diesel also in the driveway, it’s very hard to justify a new 4-5 year loan of maybe 20k or so to get a decent enough EV that I’d want to drive, say a Cupra Born for instance.
    Have considered new and might ultimately do that but it will pain me- right now I don’t “need” an EV- but just like solar for my house , the time will come when I’ll have to - I guess I just don’t want to spend just yet- every year the cars get better so why buy good this year when I can get “better” next year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,369 ✭✭✭KCross


    Have considered new and might ultimately do that but it will pain me- right now I don’t “need” an EV- but just like solar for my house , the time will come when I’ll have to - I guess I just don’t want to spend just yet- every year the cars get better so why buy good this year when I can get “better” next year

    I'm not sure that analogy applies when you talk about solar for your house. Every day that passes is a missed opportunity to reduce your energy bill. The panels wont be much, if any, better next year…. yet energy prices are increasing so if you have the dosh you should get solar asap (at the right price of course!)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭wildgreen


    Is this article true about passengers feeling car sick?

    Bellamy enjoys driving his electric car, which is quieter and smoother compared with the vibrations of a traditional combustion engine car, but hopes manufacturers will consider how to address the concerns of passengers who are affected by motion sickness.

    The causes of sickness could include the relatively quick acceleration of EVs compared to fuel vehicles, their regenerative braking systems and a lack of sensory triggers such as engine noise and vibrations when travelling in a car.

    Research carried out in China, a big producer of electric cars, found that EVs were associated with more severe motion sickness symptoms than fuel vehicles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,342 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Never had any complaints when driving or felt is as as passenger, but can definitely make passengers sick if you really try to!

    The instant acceleration can be nauseating for an unsuspecting passenger if you put the boot down i suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,384 ✭✭✭crisco10


    And regeneration too, I turn down the level of regeneration when on road trips with family for this reason. Windy roads and regeneration braking leads to a slightly uncomfortable ride IMHO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭kaahooters




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,640 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The people living in apartments and terraced houses shouldn't be forgotten about, especially if you want them to consider buying our preowned cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    When you've a mountain to climb, you don't attack the summit first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,640 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    We've been climbing this mountain for some time now. At some stage we have to accept that EVs are no longer new or cutting edge technology, they are where we need to be largely



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    You're missing my point (maybe it was a bit too subtle). People in apartments represent a small percentage of the total. The peak of the mountain as it were. We need to address the bottom seven eighths first. We can plan for the summit as we go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,640 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Not just apartments but also terraced urban housing, houses without their own parking spaces. You are likely talking much more than 12.5%, about 10% of our housing stock alone are apartments and that number is growing. We have largely addressed those with driveways using home charge points and nightsaver or smart tariffs and I'm not sure there's much more we can do with them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    We need them to change to EVs. 150k or thereabouts is pathetic. If those without any real barriers to entry aren't buying, what chance for those with home charging issues?



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