What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

astrofool · 30-01-2022 01:40PM

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If he pardoned them they would have been able to implicate trump at no risk to themselves so he took the cowards way out (as he has done for absoltely everything his entire life).

Penn · 30-01-2022 02:25PM

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Most of them will have fully served their sentences by the time he could even get back in to pardon them anyway.

Christy42 · 30-01-2022 02:51PM

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Can't use that to get votes. Need em in jail so he can promise to release them for votes.

duploelabs · 30-01-2022 03:06PM

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He's signally to those who would try again in 2024 that he'll pardon them

Tippex · 30-01-2022 05:55PM

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Surely this is giving the powers that be even more ammunition in their cases against him with regards to incitement etc.

He seems to be digging a bigger deeper hole for himself.

Tell me how · 30-01-2022 06:15PM

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I'm taking this as a sign that he thinks the wolves are circling and so he's planting the seed in his supporters minds to start civil unrest.

The Democrats are weak in how they are reacting to him on a PR level. I'd be in favour of OBama giving public commentary on how the office of the White House was weakened by what happened on Jan 6th but of course Fox would sh*t themselves in outrage at a former President talking publicly about things wouldn't they.

briany · 30-01-2022 06:46PM

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"I would like to begin by addressing the heinous attack on the United States Capitol. Like all Americans, I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness, and mayhem. I immediately deployed the National Guard and Federal law enforcement to secure the building and expel the intruders. America is and must always be a nation of law and order. The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law, you will pay."

-- Donald Trump, January 7th, 2021.

Quin_Dub · 30-01-2022 07:03PM

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Exactly the reason why he commuted Roger Stones conviction instead of giving him a pardon - Making sure that Stone could still hide behind the 5th Amendment.

Also , during that same rally he also called all the investigations into him "racist" for some reason and asked that all his followers get out on the streets for the "biggest protests there have ever been" across the country should any of these investigators do anything "illegal" which I guess for Trump means "find him guilty"

31-01-2022 09:03AM

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Yes.

It pains me to say it, but I believe that if Trumps runs in 2024 he has a realistic chance of winning. His supporters will remain loyal regardless of anything, have you not noticed this? This compares strakley to his adversaries are actually held accountable for their actions by the electorate.

Faugheen · 31-01-2022 10:09AM

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And his supporters weren’t enough for him last time.

Independents are the ones who have to think long and hard about who they vote for.

I’ll ask you the same question I ask everyone else. What makes you believe the independent voters will go back to Trump?

His base doesn’t matter a sh*te on their own. He needs swing voters to get over the line.

Quin_Dub · 31-01-2022 10:26AM

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Exactly - Simple question to answer , why would someone who didn't vote for Trump the last time change their vote to him if he runs again?

Not being happy with Biden really doesn't scan.

I've already said this , but the best news for any Biden campaign in 2024 would be that Trump was the opponent as that would instantly remove any hint of voter apathy and Democrat tendency to stay home if they aren't "feeling it" .

He does still have a chance though not because more people will vote for him but because of the wholesale Election rigging going on by the GOP.

Every day there are new reports of further changes to voting rules and even more worryingly - changes to the certification process in various Swing states.

The GOP have not intention of wining the next election on the basis of having a better policy portfolio that the Democrats , they plan to win by making sure that they limit Democrat voters access and when that doesn't work they will have changed the rules so they can simply ignore results they don't like.

TheIrishGrover · 31-01-2022 12:16PM

I detest trump and all he stands for but he has a very good chance of getting in in 2024. More than he has in 2016: As much as I detest the man, there is no denying the fact that Biden does not have the force that trump has.

On top of this you have the proven, demonstrable, quantifiable rigging laws that the GOP are putting in place.

Trump and his klan always went on about rigged machines (Looking for bamboo particles in machines indicating they were made in China. Yes really), "dead" voters, people voting multiple times (Only cases found were trump klan members). But these rules they are bringing in serve NO other purpose than to restrict Democrat demographics. This is provable with verifiable empirical facts (As opposed to Guiliani presenting a drunk woman yelling at a judge as a "witness")

I only put that paragraph there because klan members LOVE to say an election was rigged..... And I am saying they are now right. And the GOP are the party doing it.

ohnonotgmail · 31-01-2022 12:18PM

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>>As much as I detest the man, there is no denying the fact that Biden does not have the force that trump has.

explain how biden got 10M more votes than Trump then?

Brian? · 31-01-2022 12:25PM

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Interesting. His supporters turned out in record number in 2020 and he lost in a landslide. Do you honestly believe he’s wooed back independents with his behaviour since losing?

Rawr · 31-01-2022 12:46PM

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That's the question really. My guess / hope is that he hasn't. Back in 2016, he had the benefit of the doubt for many, and those who didn't know better he was just that reality TV Billionaire with an eye for business who to some of the electorate was somewhat less annoying that Hillary Clinton.

By now everyone who isn't MAGA know better. They now know the brand of crass stupidity that follows anything that encounters that guy's reverse Midas-touch. Every time he kicks off about something, or his more vocal idiot supports like Lindell kick off, he could be reminding the independent voters about those very stupid 4 years and that a vote for Trump or by extension the GOP is a vote for more of that.

I like to recon that many of the votes for Biden were essentially a vote against Trump. 2024 might hopefully be more of that if all of this "Stop the Steal, Jan 6, JFK Jr is coming back!" nonsense if kept front and center to remind everyone what is still at stake.

31-01-2022 02:42PM

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As I stated in my post I believe he has a "realistic chance of winning", I do not see it as a forgone conclusion.

There are difficult times ahead for the present administration. I see the following in Trump's favor:

1) More responsible environmental policies cost the electorate more money. Trump's pollution friendly policies will put more money in people's pocket in the short term. Many people will vote for the person that they think will make them wealthier, simple as. Let's not forget, Trump believes in reviving the coal industry!

2) Trump is a master at spreading disinformation. God only knows what he will unleash next and how may will believe it.

3) The financial repercussions of covid that Biden will have to deal with are massive and this will hurt many. Sufficient numbers may conclude that Trump would have handled the situation better.

4) Some independents may simply vote for Trump because he is "anti-establishment" and things are not working out for them. Like a protest vote.

5) If the whole "Russia situation" goes south, this could also work in Trump's favour.

6) Arrogance: Many Democratic voters may assume that they don't need to vote. Big mistake!

He won in 2016 against all odds. It was like Brexit, many did not vote because they never thought that Brexit would happen.

Although he lost in 2020 people still voted for him in record numbers despite everything! The mind boggles. Can you explain how he convinced so many to vote for him???

briany · 31-01-2022 02:58PM

I would wager that the 70+ million people who turned out for Trump still largely believe in him and his message. The trick would be to minimise apathy on the other side - the bloc who turned out 80+ million strong. Biden's an old hand, and a capable politician in the conventional sense, but he's not a particularly inspirational figure. Kamala Harris seems a divisive figure, like she's a target for all the guff about gender/race quotas and seems too left-leaning for middle-America. I think because of the way the Democratic party's machinery works, favouring entrenched Democrat establishment politicians as presidential nominees, they'll be making life difficult for themselves in 2024 and will have to go the route of reminding everyone of how bad Trump and Trumpism could be.

Brian? · 31-01-2022 04:50PM

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I can only explain it in relative terms. The GOP base turned out for him. Independents and Dems turned out against him, in a massive way.

More people were able to voted than ever because of the range of voting options thanks to the pandemic.

31-01-2022 05:09PM

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…..and I can only reiterate that despite the complete shambles of his campaign in 2016 including his “pussy” remarks he somehow won.

They say a week is a long time in politics. By 2024 anything could happen.

Perhaps if Democrats had taken Trump a bit more seriously in 2016 he would never have become president. There is a lesson there!

ohnonotgmail · 31-01-2022 05:14PM

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4 years is a long time in politics hence why he lost so badly in 2016. He was unknown and some people took a chance. the fake FBI investigation in Hilarys emails didn't help either. he won't have that the next time around.

osarusan · 31-01-2022 05:46PM

I wouldn't be convinced that the independents are as important a demographic as others seem to think.

After 4 years of Trump, he ended up getting even more votes than the first time around. Now, I'm sure there were some who gave him a chance in 2016 who didn't vote for him in 2020. But that cohort of voters was more than compensated for by those who did vote for him in 2020, for whatever reason, who apparently did not in 2016. Amazing as it seems, there were millions who didn't vote for him in 2016m, and who looked at what he did in his term as president and said 'Yes, that's the guy for me'.

Biden won by a comfortable margin, for sure, but a good chunk of that was the anti-Trump vote. And I think that's the issue with Trump. Yes, he can mobilise more Republican voters than anybody else, but he can also do the same for those who will vote against him.

rossie1977 · 31-01-2022 05:50PM

Trump has by far the best chance among the potential Republican candidates (actually none of the others have any chance) but winning is a different matter altogether.

Unseating a sitting President is extremely tough. Trump despite so many scandals and overseeing an economy in absolute meltdown still got 70 million votes. The next three years look to be some of the most prosperous in US/Western Europe history coming out of pandemic so any Republican will be attempting to convince voters they are a better choice than the guy overseeing a booming economy.

Brian? · 31-01-2022 05:51PM

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There is definitely a lesson there. They took it for granted and didn’t get the vote out in the mid west. A better ground game in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pa and Hilary would have won.

I know Pa isn’t really the mid west.

Dr. Bre · 31-01-2022 06:02PM

I can see trump junior running in the future . The Trumps will not go away even when Don is done .

Glencarraig · 31-01-2022 06:11PM

I see that The Orange One has said that if he runs and wins in 2024 that he will pardon all the January 6th rioters who have been rightly put in jail. If that is not an admission of guilt that he was 100% responsible for the riots then I dont know what is.

duploelabs · 31-01-2022 06:19PM

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Which one? And what would the bring to the fold?

Tell me how · 31-01-2022 06:22PM

Trump came within a couple hundred thousand votes in key states from being returned as President in 2020. Irrespective of the 7M popular vote majority, if Trump had won those states collectively, he'd still be in office and Biden would be fully and completely retired.

This is the primary risk to Democrats in 2024, that these swing states swing back again and that could easily happen because of what Republican legislators are doing at the state level and even aside from that, if the turnout drops significantly in 2024, and it happens moreso amongst Democrats than Republicans, then again, that presents a problem.

The Democrats are burdened with judging their guy in office on the job he is doing and how it meets the needs of the country whereas as we saw with Republicans, they don't let such issues get in the way and so we see negative reaction towards Bidens achievements from some quarters which is then being used by Republicans as evidence that apparently his election is a fiasco, which is far from being the case.

There was a protest in Florida at the weekend at which the Nazi Symbol was hung from bridge overpasses along with the 'Let's go Brandon' phrase. The two parties are not playing by the same rules even though they are playing in the same game and the consequences are likely going to be real, and impactful.

Tell me how · 31-01-2022 06:36PM

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I think the only one would be Ivanka but that if she were to run in 2032 or 2036 for example and there still hadn't been a woman President, unfortunately she'd stand a very good chance.

In her favour (and it pains me to write that).

Could say that having worked closely with Donald, she has political experience.
Her husband is also politically experienced.
She could point to business achievements as a sign of competency.
Aesthetically, Fox News would literally wet themselves with excitement at the thought of her running.
If Donald is out of the picture (dearly departed) she could blame him for all the negatives of his Presidency while also saying that she actually reigned him in in many ways thus making her some sort of saviour to those who said no one needed to be saved from the ineptitude of her father.

I'd hate to see it, but can easily see it happening. The Democrats including Biden should have been pushing hard for criminal proceedings against the inner circle of those involved in the insurrection and they are dangerously close in missing the window of opportunity to do so.

Fathom · 31-01-2022 06:39PM

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Trump lost. He lost big time in 2020. Or to use a Trumpism, Trump lost bigly. Biden won both the popular vote by 7 million over Trump, and substantially more than enough to win the Electoral College (306 vs 232). Minimum 270 to win.

Furthermore, Trump lost the popular vote to Clinton in 2016 by almost 2.9 million votes. But Trump won in the EC 304 to 227.

The ancient EC essentially favored small states rights over more populous states, giving in to the earlier colonial originated federalism arguments. Thereby giving substantially more weight to the vote of a Wyoming resident with a total population of only 581,075 which Trump won, over California with 39,613,493 which both Clinton and Biden won by huge majorities over Trump. Also in both houses of Congress, especially in the Senate where tiny Wyoming has 2 senators and massive California only has 2. And the 2 votes count the same.

You cannot pump Trump numbers in such a way that it superficially appears that he was winning in 2020. You need to factor in voter turnout for each general election year, otherwise it becomes misleading and essentially meaningless.

31-01-2022 08:27PM

"Furthermore, Trump lost the popular vote to Clinton in 2016 by almost 2.9 million votes. "

^^^^ This statement is irrelevant, what is relevant is that he won the election. That is the rules of the game. I say this as someone who is appalled by Trump.

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