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NFT - Non Fungible Tokens. Complete scam or the future of ownership

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    All you can prove is that you have a receipt. You can't prove it's the only one.

    Even if the seller is genuine there's nothing stopping them or anyone else selling more receipts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,357 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    It's a scam, but just what type of scam it is? Bitcoin type pyramid scheme, money laundering vehicle or just plain out tax avoidance device.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,864 ✭✭✭ongarite


    It's a total scam, pump and dump for the bitcoin generation.

    If you really want to get know what NFTs are about & how much of a scam they are , there is a great 2 hour video here.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    I only heard about these recently but it has to be the greatest load of nonsense of all time.

    The UFC dropped 100,000 of them the other day at $50 a pop and they sold out within a day.

    People are mental.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Seems like people preying on people who like to seek attention on social media. Some of the stuff people are falling for is frightening, there is a very good channel on youtube called Coffezilla. He looks into this kind of stuff, I fear for the future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,797 ✭✭✭Motivator


    I’ve seen lots and lots of people saying it’s a scam but the companies pushing NFTs are absolutely genius and they’ll ram it down enough peoples throats to make it work. The GameStop crowd have bags of money and are itching to get in at the start of a new trend. It’ll work and I do a bit of wheeling and dealing in crypto from time to time for a bit of fun. I try and get in at the bottom and time a run on something before selling off quickly enough when I’m in profit for a few quid. I’ve been burned plenty of times but I’m doing ok in the long run.

    I read about NFTs about 6 months ago and got in at the very very start of one of the platforms that supports them. Made a serious amount of money and then cashed in and cleared just over €28k in 3 months. The price has crashed again so I’m going to get back involved and once the bear market is looking like it’s over. Once the crypto market rebounds NFTs will be absolutely the hot topic of the tech/crypto world.



  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I know plenty about them and they're a scam.

    The vast majority are just a URL to an image on a server hosted on the regular web.

    So you own a link on a random Blockchain (Ethereum at the moment) which may not even continue to be used in the future. A company like Meta could force their own Blockchain for example.

    You don't actually own the copyright to these images in the real world and legal system.

    The server or provider hosting your image could go down, or start charging you a monthly fee etc. (Real life example: Be careful with free QR Code generators. They work the same way and your QR Code works long enough to be shared for a couple of months on physical products etc. and then stops working unless you start paying. You need to make sure it actually points to your website, not the generator's website before getting redirected.)

    The entire concept of NFTs and their values relies upon people using a decentralised internet where you get money when your assets are used. People aren't going to browse the internet with an Ethereum wallet with money just trickling out of it as you go from site to site.

    It's just absolute nonsense. No court will ever say you own that piece of art because on a blockchain, you "own" the link to an image everyone else has the link to. That asset you think you own will get used by everyone and you won't get a penny.


    c3c4cfz6km981.jpg

    Except it's a fake marriage certificate that only you and your crypto buddies think is real.


    The people who are into them are like modern beanie baby collectors. They don't realise it yet but that's what they're going to be viewed as. Absolute morons caught up in hype with an asset that obviously has no inherent value and thus crashes and they get left holding the bag.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,416 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The people who are into them are like modern beanie baby collectors. They don't realise it yet but that's what they're going to be viewed as. Absolute morons caught up in hype with an asset that obviously has no inherent value and thus crashes and they get left holding the bag.

    That's also why so many gaming companies trying to get into NFTs is so concerning. NFT supporters are trying to claim you'll be able to fully own unique items in a game, and therefore can bring it into other games, always have it on your characters (even if it's just a cosmetic item). Except that's not true as it means every game will have to be able to programme that information into their game, the likelihood that it causes bugs/glitches etc.

    So if you buy it in one game, it'll more than likely just stay within that game. Ubisoft recently announced they're going to start offering NFT items in their games. They've also recently announced two of their current games, they're going to drop support for. One of the games was online-only which means it won't even be playable in a few months.

    So NFTs in games become a stupid game of pass the parcel, where the last one owning the NFT when the game is finally shut off, loses everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭evil_seed


    I see them as good for gaming, but other than that they're just digital beanie babies.

    What part is good for gaming? Say you play something like WoW as an example. There's a NFT of a weapon, like Thors hammer or something. You buy that. You own that now, and no one else in WoW has that weapon. Then you can sell it. That's the only way NFTs make sense for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    It's a scam, more intellectual property or patent style crap.

    The people buying these treat it like an investment too, aiming to buy then sell a few months later to take advantage of gullible fools. The money in it is all a pyramid scheme



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,139 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Yeah, but there's nothing integral to NFTs that guarantee that the weapon is unique. You have to trust the creator that they won't make others. You also have to trust the developer that the weapon will be still supported in the next update, and that your "asset" won't suddenly become worthless. And that's fine if they don't cost too much, and the item itself isn't that important - it makes it easy to sell and trade digital bits and bobs to other players, which is a bit of fun. But as items you purchase as an investment, the whole concept makes no sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,228 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    I don’t think it’s any less of a scam than the Art market in general. The Freakonomics podcast recently did a short series on the Art market: it’s worse than you know.

    In its pure form, fascism is the sum total of all irrational reactions of the average human character.

    ― Wilhelm Reich



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,228 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    In its pure form, fascism is the sum total of all irrational reactions of the average human character.

    ― Wilhelm Reich



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The 2020s version of tulips.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The seller’s commission at auction houses such as Christie’s or Sotheby’s is up to 15%, on top of that you’ll be asked to pay loss, damage and liability insurance, as well as a marketing and cataloguing fee.

    If your item sells for over the high estimate we agree with you, there will also be an additional 2% Performance Commission fee.

    Now have a look at how much Christies charge's buyers Up to 30% and "Local taxes may be payable on the buyer’s premium."

    FFS is their no end to their greed ?

    AND "In some countries, including those in the EU, local laws entitle the artist or the artist’s estate to a royalty."


    You aren't going to get rich on Art unless it skyrockets and even then you are essentially working for the auction houses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,228 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    I learned that maybe 1% of art in the market is ever sold at all, there just isn't sufficient interest in owning art. When it comes to the 1% that does sell, it's not really about art for art's sake, but as an investment, and fashion has a huge part to play. Since art is so subjective, there can be no objective judgement about what is good art. I still think Basquiat was a hack, totally over-hyped because of his "fashionable" ethnic background and his history as a drug addict and "outsider". His work sold for $millions while someone like Alice Neel languished in obscurity, only getting a critical reappraisal years after dying ... and her work now sells for $millions too.

    Now if I look at NFTs in the light of the art market in general ... there's no art there at all, only money. Like BitCoin, NFTs were invented with the basic understanding that value comes from scarcity, so these are attempts to create real value from artificial scarcity. But there's another basic point to remember about value: an object in a market is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. So if you want to sell something, you need buyers with money: where do you get these buyers with money? In the world of BitCoin and NFTs, you have to create them from scratch, so you use all the tools from Marketing 101: create a buzz, tell people "you have to get in, you don't want to miss out!"

    Then when people point out the history of market manias, they'll try and tell you that "prices can only go up" and "this time it's different". Some people have made good money from BitCoin, just as some people made money on the US Stock Market in 1929, and some people made money selling tulip bulbs in 1637. Those who got in early need an influx of new money just so that a market will exist at all. (If that sounds like a Ponzi scheme, that's not a coincidence.) Without someone willing and able to pay for things, there's no market for those things and you don't know their value ... so what do you actually have, then?

    In its pure form, fascism is the sum total of all irrational reactions of the average human character.

    ― Wilhelm Reich



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,507 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    the idea is to get in and get out ...obv they are over valued ..buy them earlier than they peak sell them now ..buy them back when they crash


    Its like the tulip frenzy ....the market makes mistakes you take advantage ...you just have to sell before it peaks because that is when it bursts ....


    future of ownership ..prob not..but some people will make a profit selling them for ridic money...then buy back what they sold when it bursts for almost nothing ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,357 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    I just cannot get my head around Bitcoin, almost hurts to think about how such an intangible thing can skyrocket in value.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,507 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    art sales is ALL about making yourself tax efficient and writing it off ..the biggest damian hirst dealer was a tax accountant that is not by accident



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,371 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Perhaps NFTs are the 'Bulgarian apartment' of this particular boom-bust cycle



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    It's more like buying an apartment off the plans. And all you get is a photo of the plans. But the photo is signed by someone who claim's to be the architect or a friend of or has heard of them.

    At least you can prove the signature is a genuine signature. You can't prove it's the same signature they use elsewhere.


    And it's understood that if the apartment actually exists and you try to claim it the owner will call the police.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭polysteamtoken


    Digital ownership is beyond a doubt the future since we live in the digital age. Will they be in the form of NFTs? Yes probably but saying NFTs are a scam is not true at all because making an NFT is using technology. If bad people use NFT technology to scam others that doesn't mean its the technology at fault. Everything bad in the world needs a humans evil mind to accompany it. NFTs are programmed by a person so obviously a scammer will program scam tokens.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Digital ownership is not the future. It's been the norm since the records offices and banks were computerised.

    NFT is a total scam. 100% based on the bigger fool theory.

    All you can prove is that someone (you?) paid a lot of money ($280,000) for a link to the sound of a fake fart.

    https://ordinals.com/inscription/5e92195849607b400d77f01cb1146563ce523fed47f66a044e7a470016e05e59i0


    What happens at the next fork, and the one after that ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭polysteamtoken


    NFT is technology that's like saying because scams exist online that the internet is a scam. You can for example own an NFT for property. NFT for a fart? Well the NFTs you talk about are total trash anti crypto and for guillible idiots. You think that's what NFTs are about? Your examples of ponzi and scams are you hat you honest think an NFT is?


    Very easy to prove ownership. It's in my wallet which is under my control.


    An NFT of an in-game item is not a scam and can't be one. You can trade it as you wish and it's part of the game. Brining some funds to gamers not just to devs. But please scream how they scams based on your tiny little examples. I don't even think you understand how crypto works yet here you are making post after post. We heard you the first time you hate NFT and think it's a scam. Good for you. NFt is here to stay and I hope that irritates the hell out of you. It clearly does sense with your free time you argue about it online . If you don't like crypto don't post. Easy huh?



  • Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So it's a new alternative way to record ownership of something. That's not really that exciting a prospect outside of the tulip bulb mania around bored apes and the likes, which has clearly ceased. If it makes in game trading mire exciting for people then I'm delighted for them. Though it is only a niche if gamers who would care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    Musicians earn money on streaming apps or selling tickets people still buy CDs ,nfts are mostly useless apart from maybe artists could sell digital art

    People buy dlc and character skins emotes in games

    I have not heard of any console game that uses nfts

    Meta spent billions on the metaverse and no one uses it

    I think nfts are a tech scam eg buy this item and its value will increase in the future

    TV company's already have ways to buy the right to show programs or film clips

    I think bitcoin makes sense cos there's a limited amount of coins that can be made so its value will probably not fall in the future



  • Posts: 2,752 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Total scam designed to separate fools and/or greedy bastards from their money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭Allinall


    If Aongus Von Bismark thinks it's a scam, then that's good enough for me.

    Won't be going near them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Projection much because someone bad mouthed your digital pogs.



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