Cycle infrastructure planned for north Dublin

Ferris · 14-01-2022 03:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118474921#Comment_118474921

I suspect that the core of anti-cycling is extremely small, perhaps 1 person.

magicbastarder · 14-01-2022 04:10PM

hopefully; i do know of others in howth who curse cyclists but i would be very surprised to learn take the sort of actions described.

Seth Brundle · 16-01-2022 10:48PM

Outside Howth Presbyterian Church today where there apparently is not enough room to park in their car park...

https://twitter.com/r0thar/status/1482751464141377537?t=GkMvlfEui9Ha4gekFELvTQ&s=19

Duckjob · 17-01-2022 11:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118487096#Comment_118487096

So basically just can't be arsed to park a) legally and b) considerately....

Effects · 17-01-2022 07:04PM

I think they are deliberately parking on the road now to prove a point. I passed about 40 minutes before service on Sunday, one car on the road and none in the carpark.

mr spuckler · 17-01-2022 07:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491127#Comment_118491127

I'm not sure - they've literally always parked on the road (well footpath + cycle lane really) in the years I've been passing by.

mr spuckler · 17-01-2022 07:28PM

I cycled out that way on Saturday with my 5yo leading the way and 2yo in the trailer behind me. As expected the unprotected stretches proved uncomfortable at best with parked cars in the cycle lane outside Burrow national school as I'd seen on Wednesday night. The stretch from there to where the bollards start again near the church is particularly long.

On the other hand there is a significant level of comfort to be had from such simple plastic wands where they have been installed.

magicbastarder · 17-01-2022 08:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491127#Comment_118491127

as mr spuckler mentioned, it's not exactly deliberate when it's just continuation of previous behaviour; and they have to know that this will backfire on them if - as has already been publicised much wider than that particular tweet - they don't use their own car park, it makes them look like hypocrites.

Larbre34 · 17-01-2022 10:46PM

Hypocrisy will backfire on them?

Don't know too many adherent Presbyterians, do you?

ARX · 18-01-2022 09:23AM

The Bible tells them to use the car park:

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat

Matthew 7:13-14

Ferris · 18-01-2022 11:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491127#Comment_118491127

That would not surprise me knowing some of the people involved.

As for this backfiring - I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt initially but based on their sh1thousery they can feck off now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491244#Comment_118491244

If the area outside the burrow school is not controlled one has to question the point of segregating the cycle lanes at all. Its the most hazardous stretch of road between Sutton and Howth as its the narrowest section (if you look at it from Corr Castle to the Burrow) and features the worst parking behavior exactly when segregation is needed most - at school times. I wonder if the Burrow School management are being challenged?

Seth Brundle · 23-01-2022 02:45PM

https://twitter.com/r0thar/status/1485223859259416576?t=MG443K_TPeCwOtmrMf1mbQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/r0thar/status/1485232629880401922?t=BjxeWZImX1f-uToQYfuP2w&s=19

https://twitter.com/r0thar/status/1485247394233077764?t=8ThlCaG2MLgysMURNtoynQ&s=19

Fair play to alan on Twitter for the above.

magicbastarder · 24-01-2022 11:58PM

http://paschaldonohoe.ie/almost-e53m-in-funding-to-dublin-city-council-for-cycling-walking-and-other-active-travel-schemes/

needless to say, given his constituency, most of the location specific ones listed are for de nortsoide.

Breezer · 25-01-2022 09:02PM

I came through the Old Ballymun Road/Griffith Avenue junction, heading towards Ballymun, today. They have the cycle signals running now. What they’ve done is implemented a cycling phase that is totally independent of the general traffic phase, and comes first. It’s safe, I reckon, but it means a longer wait at an already long light. I’ll probably take the lane half the time.

They still have a cycle lane painted into a general traffic lane going south onto Mobhi Road, so I’m still taking the lane there, as always.

magicbastarder · 25-01-2022 09:11PM

oh, i forgot, we walked home from getting grub in phibsboro last night (bald eagle, food was alright, nothing to complain about but a bit workmanlike).

anyway, we came up old ballymun road, so i got a shot of the junction facing north - the shimmy cyclists have to do going through the junction is not as severe as i'd thought it was going to be (i think the day we'd walked past, a month or two back, there was something sitting across the two islands so i thought it was a single unbroken one, and cyclists going straight on would have to swing far enough to the left so as to actually disappear from the frame here):

Breezer · 25-01-2022 09:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118532879#Comment_118532879

That white barrier was straddling the two islands until yesterday.

I think if cyclists got a head start green, and general traffic turning left gave way to cyclists going straight on, you’d basically have a Dutch design here? The difficulty would be training drivers to give way when turning left when it’s not standard. All in all I think the separate phase is better, for now anyway.

loyatemu · 26-01-2022 10:55AM

assuming there's no pedestrians crossing, I'd be carrying onto that second stop line regardless of the lights.

My main concern with these types of junctions is that cyclists going straight will have a lot less green time than traffic in the car lane. That is what happens here - if you're going straight you're invariably quicker being on the road as otherwise you're left waiting while cars turn left. I'm not sure what the solution is - I think in a Dutch design cyclists would skew left and then cross the side road with priority on a toucan crossing, but that requires a lot of space at the junction.

Effects · 26-01-2022 11:08AM

The difficulty would be training drivers to give way when turning left when it’s not standard. All in all I think the separate phase is better, for now anyway.

Yeah, that'll be the hard part.

I recently passed the often changed junction on Lombard St. It's got a green for straight, and flashing amber for turning left, yet I still had a van beep me as I was going straight and he was turning. A lot of drivers don't seem to update their road knowledge, and bad driving like this is never really challenged by Gardaí.

loyatemu · 26-01-2022 12:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118534477#Comment_118534477

That's interesting, I haven't been through there since they revised the layout. I would hope that if there are more locations where drivers have to yield turning left, they'll get used to it.

magicbastarder · 26-01-2022 05:48PM

https://twitter.com/Ste_Mc_Lean/status/1486334489550901252

Breezer · 26-01-2022 11:11PM

I had an argument with a friend recently, who insisted that when driving in the city, if you don’t drive out beyond stop lines “you’ll never get out”. Thinking about it, he’s probably right in some cases. For some people, the MGIF mentality applies to other drivers as well as cyclists.

A yellow box would at least help discourage the simply inattentive though.

27-01-2022 12:11AM

Has someone a google maps of that junction I'm not familiar with it, cars on the right trying to join there from the wrong side of the road frying my brain, one way system ?

Anyway even if there was a yellow box there, given they are turning right they would have every right to be in it no?

Peregrine · 27-01-2022 12:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118538430#Comment_118538430

It's the Ballymun Road/Mobhi Road/Griffith Avenue/Griffith Avenue Extension gyratory

https://goo.gl/maps/pke24w4Ti4T4dTXb6

You can actually see the old and new layouts in Streeview.

27-01-2022 12:29AM

Jesus!!!!!!

Thelonious Monk · 27-01-2022 11:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118367576#Comment_118367576

So according to this tweet the construction contract would be awarded this January, anyone know if it happened or not?

magicbastarder · 27-01-2022 11:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118538470#Comment_118538470

at just the junction in the photo i posted, i think there are nearly 20 traffic light poles.

cgcsb · 27-01-2022 11:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118539603#Comment_118539603

Not and unlikely to. They left it too long after receiving bids, a year in total and costs have increased, the tender price isn't valid anymore.

Thelonious Monk · 27-01-2022 11:54AM

great, that should kick it down the road another year or two

Squidgy Black · 27-01-2022 12:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118539822#Comment_118539822

I don’t think this is correct, tender process only finished around May 2021 so tender bids are still valid you’d imagine.

Peregrine · 27-01-2022 12:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118539603#Comment_118539603

This is from December 24:

The Environment and Transportation Department is pleased to advise Members of the Central and North Central Area Committees that on December 17th 2021 the National Transport Authority confirmed approval to proceed to the construction stage of the Clontarf to City Centre Project. As a result, the construction contract will be awarded in January 2022. A construction planning and project set-up phase will commence in February 2022, and construction is expected to commence in April 2022. During the project set-up phase, the contractor will prepare detailed traffic management plans and update the plan for sequencing of works to ensure timely delivery of the project. Once these are available, the DCC Project Team will be in a position to present the plans to the Central Area and North Central Area Committees, as well as engage with residents and businesses that may be impacted.

A project information leaflet has been prepared for issue to residents and businesses along the route and in the surrounding areas. This will be issued in January 2022. Further information will issue soon thereafter in relation to the detailed works programme and the project team will engage with directly affected businesses and residents. DCC aims to ensure that the project will be delivered in such a way as to minimise disruption to the surrounding areas as much as possible. Access to businesses and homes will be maintained at all times during the works.

The project information booklet mentioned was issued a few days ago:

2022.01.21 C2CC Project Leaflet 1 ISSUE.pdf

I've asked if the contract has been awarded yet, I should get an answer next week.

Cycle infrastructure planned for north Dublin

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