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Young people driving 60k cars

  • 25-01-2022 12:18AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭


    Where are young people under 30 getting 60k to buy new Teslas ? Everytime I see one there is a young people behind the wheel. Seriously a 26 or 27 year old driving a brand new 60k car ? Where are they getting the money from at that age ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Swaine


    PCP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,998 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Like any age group, some have good wages and can easily afford it. Others stretch themselves because they like cars and will sacrifice holidays etc for a nice car.

    Others cannot afford it whatsoever but managed to get the finance so will drive it anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,877 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Tesla don't do PCP in Ireland. I don't think they have a license to even offer HP finance here yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,371 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    I haven't seen this at all.

    Usually when I see a Tesla there is an older dude driving it. Usually works for a Dublin megacorp & has a well manicured holiday home down in West Cork or Kerry. Come to think of it I don't think I've ever seen someone below 40 with one. I'm sure they are there, you always get the odd fella who won it on a scratch card or has rich parents or worked his way up the corporate ladder quickly after graduating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,141 ✭✭✭✭10-10-20


    Well, they can't buy houses, so they may as well stuff it in a Tesla rather than a bank.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭micah537


    Good/lucky investments

    Jobs in IT or property.

    My brother bought a brand new S-Class at 34 with just commission (not on finance or PCP). Before that he bought a new 640d the same way. He would easily have bought a Tesla at 28/29 if he wanted one.

    How do you know they are 26/27? Some people have no interest in drinking huge amounts of alcohol and will look younger than they are. I still get asked for ID at 29. Some Tesla drivers could be working in the medical sector and well paid in their 30s but looking mid 20s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,759 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Bitcoin car?

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,877 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    PUP...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Their finance is arranged through AIB, but I think the buyer has to go about it themselves. So you are probably right



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,877 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Yeah they don't offer it directly, you have to arrange it yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,120 ✭✭✭griffin100


    I know a few lads with Tesla’s and they’re all self employed and buying through the company with zero BIK. Tesla’s are fast becoming the builders car :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭mondeo


    I cannot imagine going to the bank looking for 60k+ for a new car at 27 or 28 years old. I'm half way through my 30's and bent over backwards to own what I have.

    I actually think alot of these young people in expensive cars are getting them from inheritance or similar. Alot of families bought second houses during the Celtic tiger years and would have them paid off by now. Parents are selling them and giving the money to their kids ?? Just a thought....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭iColdFusion


    I haven't seen any "young" people driving Teslas but this would be my guess too, probably self employed IT contractors able to write off a lot of the cost and possibly living at home because the real question is where are they charging it...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    Does it matter really?

    I have nephews in their early 20s who are driving around in Audi and BMW models worth €40k to €50k that I, in my 40s, am unable to afford at the moment. They have them on PCP or HP and as they are mostly living at home, working and have no bills or children so they have way more disposable income than me. Not a single one of them has inherited anything from their parents.

    There is a lot of cheap credit floating around out there these days so for a minimal deposit, someone can have a car for a reasonable "per month" sum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭cpoh1


    Its sometimes easier to afford a decent car in your 20s than late 30s. No mortgage, no childcare costs, feeding a family, family holidays etc.


    I would have spent a 3rd of my monthly salary on my cars in my 20's easily, now in my early 40's i wouldnt even do a PCP or take a loan on a car let alone the amounts i spent back in the day. Im just not arsed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭mondeo


    It does matter, wealth amongst younger generations seem to be much greater then 10 years ago. I am curious to know where young people in such an young age group get their wealth from. Banks approving loans for high end cars like that for people a few years out of collage ? They must be young entrepreneurs or IT wiz kids on 80k a year salaries.



  • Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah, I never saw a younger person drive it. Always 40 - 50



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,120 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Wealth or disposable income which you'd have a lot more of if you aren't saving for a deposit on a house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,524 ✭✭✭Homer


    Max price for 0% BIK is €50k though so a bit limited in what Tesla you could get for that money.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Maybe some of them bend over forwards to get what they have



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,762 ✭✭✭whippet


    I drove a more expensive car in my 20s than I did in my 30s …. In my 20s I didn’t have kids, wasn’t married and priorities were different and driving a nice car was one of them

    In my 30s - I was married, had kids, dogs and a mortgage .. so my car reflected those priorities .. so efficient, space and reliable.

    Now I’m in my 40s and I’m back to looking at nicer cars again !

    I knew a lad who had a BMW M4 in his mid 20s … met him there recently and he is driving an old 320d now …. He got a few years out of the M4 before having to buy a house, get married and think of kids. he spent about 60% of his wages at the time to keep the M4 on the road - and he doesn’t regret a minute of it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,480 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Bitcoin or stock market investments. Share schemes at work. All can provide decent lump sums to be squandered should one wish.

    I recently had a client exercise stock options to buy a house in cash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    So it matters to you as to where someone's finances come from. Fair enough. I am sure there are plenty out there who would not even think about it for a second.

    Younger generations can afford things now that I was unable to when I was their age. This is partially down to the fact you can get easy credit at very low interest rates now. Once these generations have to step on to the property ladder, it will be a different story. There aren't enough IT wiz kids on 80k salaries out there, trust me... I have worked in IT for 25 years and the salaries are not that high unless you are a programmer or systems architect and most of those jobs have been offshored or outsourced by now.

    The "average" salary in this country is just over the €40k mark which will give you about €2600 a month after tax (back of a napkin calculation). If a young person is even coming out with €2000 a month after tax and living at home with parents, not saving for their own home and have no other bills then paying €500 or €600 per month on a vehicle is not beyond them. Teachers in their late 20s with several years under their belt can be making up to that average salary so it would not be beyond the realms of possibility to see them driving around in Teslas or the like.

    At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter how they are affording it. We all have different priorities at different stages of our lives. Right now, I would be happy to go on a nice holiday and not bother with a car at all. 20 years ago, everything in my life revolved around a car and I stretched myself almost to breaking point to get the one I wanted at the time. That was my choice and I considered it to be no-one else's business as to how I managed to afford it. If I was in debt and could not afford it, that was my responsibility. I sold that car to fund a deposit on my first home. As adults, we make decisions based on what we want at any particular moment. If it is a good or bad decision then that is something we have to face when it all comes time to pay back a debt or to let something go.

    Unless you are a millionaire, there will always be someone out there with something you consider "better" or more expensive than what you have. Let them at it and concentrate on your own life. The world has got a lot more materialistic in the past few decades but spending time worrying what others have will only lead to anxiety and making questionable decisions which could financially ruin you.

    Besides, in a few years time, you can buy that €60k Tesla for less than half of what some random 20 something year old paid for it. 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,877 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Unfortunately 60k doesn't really get you a brand new "high end" car in 2022. Yes it gets you an entry level Tesla but even the likes of a Kia EV6 starts at the bones of 50k these days. Is that high end too?

    The reality is that the average earnings in certain industries has vastly increased from where some started out in years ago. I'm sure our parents probably didn't earn as much as us at the same age either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,863 ✭✭✭ongarite


    As above starting salaries for engineers or skilled IT graduates is far higher than 40K Miscreant thinks.

    My company have been trying to hire engineers for months with salary of 60K all in with pensions, health plan and can barely get anyone to come for interview.

    It's a employees market at the moment with massive labour shortage in certain industries driving significant wage growth.

    If you have no other outgoings then a new car is an "affordable" purchase to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭PaulRyan97


    I work as a software engineer, the 80k salary is a lot more common than you seem to think even if you're only a few years out of college. Our jobs have not been outsourced either, we have a chronic shortage of qualified engineers here so we plug the gaps with immigrants but even that's not enough. The unemployment rate among Irish developers is close to 0% I'd imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    I know my post was a little TLDR, however I never said the average IT wage was 40k. I said that the average wage in the country is 40k...

    I am acutely aware of shortages of developers and skilled software engineers in Ireland and they can command very high salaries however they do not make up the sum total of what is considered IT. For every software engineer, there are several other support functions that do not get anywhere near the 80k wages earned at the top end.

    The point I was making is that any young person earning close to the average wage of 40k and living at home with no bills or major living expenses could afford to pay the PCP or HP cost on an expensive car.

    In the end, what does it matter? Let them at it. The more expensive cars they buy now means a decent second hand market for everyone else in a few years.

    And yes, as another poster pointed out previously, there is a difference between an expensive car and a "high end" car too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭CIP4


    I think with this there is a combination of things at play which help young people to own expensive cars.


    1. Early on in life you naturally have more disposable income with not having a mortgage or family to support.
    2. HP and PCP is widely available easy to get and interest rates can be quite low. Garages are happy to throw finance at you to buy a car.
    3. Salaries have increased a lot over the last 10 years or so and there are now a lot of industries seriously short staffed in certain areas and are willing to pay very strong salaries for skilled people. I would say there are actually quite a lot of people in their mid to late 20s on 70-100k a year salary wise.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭millington


    Maybe they just earned it? I'm 28 and I could buy one without the need for any help. My other half is 24 and I'd say she could buy one too.



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