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Gatling · 25-01-2022 01:15AM

Jan 25, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118528784#Comment_118528784
NATO expansion is a fact, even NATO wouldn't dispute that FFS. Tell the Libyans who witnessed their country bombed back to the stone age that NATO is a 'defensive alliance'? Tell the slaughtered Yemeni that the bombs dropping on them by the Saudis are ok because they are financed and provided by NATO members the US and the UK!

Libya wasn't bombed back to the stone age ,

Like ask what Russian forces are doing in Libya ...

MFPM · 25-01-2022 01:17AM

Yurt2

Jan 25, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118528757#Comment_118528757
Do you think the CIA are some sort of magic warlocks putting post-Soviet countries under a wicked spell?
I've been to enough places in the world to know the more f*cked up and corrupt the political class is, the more likely they are to hallucinate CIA spooks in their mushroom soup at dinner time. Easier to blame some sort of all-knowing CIA spook architecture than concede you're mismanaging a country.
You give the CIA too much credit. In any given country there's probably a couple of them in a corner office in an embassy compiling dull reports and waiting for their posting to end so they can go somewhere nicer - not running across rooftops with poison-tipped umbrellas.

You've been watching too much of Mr and Mrs Smith. I'm talking about real events, real situations and the role of the US and the hypocrisy of their actions. As I've mentioned look at the role of the CIA in Chile in recent months trying to sabotage Pinera, did they do the same with Bolsanaro, not a fu@king chance!

MFPM · 25-01-2022 01:18AM

Gatling

Jan 25, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118528803#Comment_118528803
Libya wasn't bombed back to the stone age ,
Like ask what Russian forces are doing in Libya ...

How would you describe the destruction that the US and its chums wreaked on Libya?

Richard Hillman · 25-01-2022 01:18AM

If Russia only take Luhansk, they roll into Luhansk, people on the streets waving flags, lots of celebrations, lovely images.

Ukraine gets rid of their problem child and don't have to pretend that they want to fight for it anymore. They'll also get a shitload more military aid, a load of sympathy (cash) and well wishes.

Joe Biden gets his "minor incursion" and only has to throw a few sanctions out to try and make himself look hard.

The EU can issue a few strongly worded statements and not have to actually do anything.

Vlad keeps Donbass there as his future leverage.

The Ukrainians seems very very calm right now. A deal has been done somewhere.

Yurt2 · 25-01-2022 01:20AM

MFPM

Jan 25, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118528792#Comment_118528792
You've been watching too much of Mr and Mrs Smith. I'm talking about real events, real situations and the role of the US and the hypocrisy of their actions. As I've mentioned look at the role of the CIA in Chile in recent months trying to sabotage Pinera, did they do the same with Bolsanaro, not a fu@king chance!

🤣 CIA orchestrating the Chile situation? So they're the black hand backing leftist elements against the billionaire neo-liberal? Would you ever stop. The 1970s called, they want their topsy-turvy political conspiracies back.

Gatling · 25-01-2022 01:23AM

MFPM

Jan 25, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118528822#Comment_118528822
How would you describe the destruction that the US and its chums wreaked on Libya?

I know Russians are fighting Libyans and trying to stop them having a legitimate government ,

Most of the destruction of Libya came at the hands of Libyans....

But this is the usual shite of America evil putin good ......

It's a CIA conspiracy shhhhhhhhh not even the Russians are saying that so keep it really quite

25-01-2022 01:23AM

MFPM

Jan 25, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118528756#Comment_118528756
Just the facts ma'am, just the facts! You may have lived through it, perhaps learn to critique it by opening your eyes!

You're a time sink I won't be investing in further.

sameoldname · 25-01-2022 01:27AM

MFPM

Jan 25, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118528756#Comment_118528756
Just the facts ma'am, just the facts! You may have lived through it, perhaps learn to critique it by opening your eyes!

Ha! Facts?! You've claimed that Russia won't invade Ukraine but how about the fact that they invaded years ago and are still there fighting? Ironic claiming other people need to open their eyes.

brickster69 · 25-01-2022 01:28AM

[Deleted User]

Jan 25, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118528785#Comment_118528785
Russia actually signed a treaty to protect Ukraine

It never like, it was a memorandum and no countries parliament ratified it.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-01-2022 01:54AM

https://twitter.com/DeptofDefense/status/1485701744281673731

The situation is looking increasingly bad by the day. How are we going get off this slope towards war? Let's hope for the best because this could devolve in to something incredibly if not managed really, really carefully.

Gatling · 25-01-2022 02:12AM

Kermit.de.frog

Jan 25, 2022

https://twitter.com/DeptofDefense/status/1485701744281673731
The situation is looking increasingly bad by the day. How are we going get off this slope towards war? Let's hope for the best because this could devolve in to something incredibly if not managed really, really carefully.

The Nato response force could see up to 50,000 deployed in under 3 days that includes men , armour, aircraft , surveillance and maritime assets ,

Putin seriously needs to stop and think before he gets to the point of no option other than to go to war ...

He's not getting rid of nato,and nobody is going back to the old cold war lines across eastern Europe .

Choice A pull Russian forces out of and around ukraine .

Choice B invade Ukraine proper and drag Europe and nato into a war he's not going to win .

25-01-2022 02:27AM

Has the US still got pre positioned equipment in Europe, or had that stuff been pulled out previously?

Manic Moran · 25-01-2022 06:49AM

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Jan 25, 2022

Has the US still got pre positioned equipment in Europe, or had that stuff been pulled out previously?

It's still there.

Roughly speaking, there's a Stryker BCT based permanently in Germany (Why a Stryker BCT and not a proper armored one, I will never know), there's usually an armored BCT normally on a rotation in Poland or thereabouts, and there's another brigade's worth of pre-positioned armored BCT stocks in storage scattered around Europe (Italy, Germany, Poland, Belgium, Lithuania) plus additional war stocks (Replacements, ammunition etc). The standard is to get everything out the door within 96 hours of troops landing. There's also the airborne brigade in Italy.

There's no massive time crunch, though. I would think if any more US units actually do go overseas as Biden has hinted, they'll bring their own gear with them.

paul71 · 25-01-2022 09:22AM

MarkEadie

Jan 24, 2022

People are not realizing that all of the Chinese millitary power is a phone call away for Putin if Russia comes under any threat whatsoever.

China does not, and never has cared 1 damn bit about Russia. In truth China would love to see a complete collapse of Russia and roll in to take over all that Siberian oil just to the north of them.

listermint · 25-01-2022 09:42AM

Pussyhands

Jan 25, 2022

You'd think if Trump was so in bed with Putin like everyone says, then Putin would have invaded Ukraine during Trumps term.

He didn't need to bother he had trump agree to whatever he wanted. He would have loved a trump second term where he could have continued to get whatever he wanted out of trump.

Its actually pretty amusing how lap dog trump was. But he's portrayed like a strategic genius. Trump went after Europe breaking all sorts of partnerships up because Putin told him to. And various Putin funded stooges plugged into the GOP.

None of that is rocket science so why does it need to be pointed out.

Pussyhands · 25-01-2022 09:45AM

listermint

Jan 25, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118528794#Comment_118528794
He didn't need to bother he had trump agree to whatever he wanted. He would have loved a trump second term where he could have continued to get whatever he wanted out of trump.
Its actually pretty amusing how lap dog trump was. But he's portrayed like a strategic genius. Trump went after Europe breaking all sorts of partnerships up because Putin told him to. And various Putin funded stooges plugged into the GOP.
None of that is rocket science so why does it need to be pointed out.

You didn't answer my question.

Putin wanting Ukraine didn't happen overnight.

If Putin wanted to invade Ukraine and Trump was in his pocket as much as everyone says he was, then it would have been the obvious decision to invade Ukraine during Trumps 4 years. Even better time would be at the height of coronavirus in the US where there focus would have been shifted.

If Trump was Putins puppet, then he surely wouldn't be sending troops to ukraine or sending ships or planes there. Putin isn't stupid.

Phil.x · 25-01-2022 09:48AM

Talk from the white house of a permanent US navel base in Cork in the coming months.

VinLieger · 25-01-2022 09:53AM

Phil.x

Jan 25, 2022

Talk from the white house of a permanent US navel base in Cork in the coming months.

No there is not

listermint · 25-01-2022 09:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529255#Comment_118529255

I did answer your question. Putin could do what he liked undercover in Ukraine whilst trump was in power. He had trump distracting the EU with ridiculous announcements and trade wars. He had trump distracting nato with talks of not pulling their own. He had trump over a barrel and didn't have to do anything whatsoever. Any moves he required didn't need him rolling across Ukraine with troops in open order. Now with trump gone the Ukrainians can actually speak to the US. With trump their they couldn't trust him nor could any EU country.

But trump is awesome right....

cheezums · 25-01-2022 10:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529264#Comment_118529264

What

25-01-2022 10:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118528794#Comment_118528794

I think contrary to popular opinion Trump was very much anti-war. By contrast, again counter intuitively I read an article analysing the Biden administration being chock full of "Hawks" who had a track record of very aggressive pro-war tendencies.

A sheep in wolf's clothing, followed by a wolf in sheep's clothing, in other words.

25-01-2022 10:15AM

One thing I don't understand is - Russia had 100k troops by the border for several weeks now. Why, if he wants to invade, does he delay and give NATO so much time to react and send weapons and troops? Surely a rapid fire attack and the element of surprise would be far more effective no?

25-01-2022 10:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529079#Comment_118529079

I have a vague memory from a few years ago of tanks or armoured vehicles starting to be shipped back across to the US.

Given Russia can act/move faster, I would be moving equipment sooner rather than later.

https://www.stripes.com/us-army-s-last-tanks-depart-from-germany-1.214977

25-01-2022 10:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529255#Comment_118529255

Trump was too busy flashing armament at Kim Jong Un at the time.

I think it’s undisputed at this point that Putin & Trump had a.. close relationship. But that did not for one second mean Putin would get away with whatever he wanted. I would suspect their entire arrangement hinged on both of them behaving themselves just enough that neither one had to scold the other.

Trump would be no more able to leave putin on to do what he wanted as any other president. Had he done it would have been immediately obvious the collusion.

listermint · 25-01-2022 10:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529347#Comment_118529347

That's hilarious trump was anti nothing and pro nothing. He was only ever interested in what would either make him look good on the day or make money for him on a day. That's the extent of the man's worldview.

Anyway this thread isn't about him. He's gone. Just funny that folks still hold a candle for his nonsense.

25-01-2022 10:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529354#Comment_118529354

This morning on GB News, Michael Portillo argued that Russia will not go ahead with an invasion because there is nothing to gain.

He argued that Russia has already achieved quite a lot - in terms of division within Europe etc., that adding a long-term guerrilla-type war in what is a massive country in Ukraine, has no value, and would only serve to undermine Putin at home.

In a recent poll, just 12 percent of Ukrainians see Russia as an ally, with 74% considering Russia to be a "hostile state". The idea that Putin can wander in and do as he pleases, simply won't wash. There'll be a substantial Ukrainian backlash, and not just from the military but from guerrilla-style forces for many months, if not years to come.

I think he may well be right.

VinLieger · 25-01-2022 10:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529354#Comment_118529354

Ukraine have effectively been on a war footing since 2014 and have have equally been building up their troop and emplacements along the border for months, there was no point where he could have just flipped a switch and walked in and taken everything with ease.

Pussyhands · 25-01-2022 10:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529347#Comment_118529347

Trump was anti war. He made it clear USA were no longer policemen of the world. Which makes it all the more obvious that if Putin wanted to invade Ukraine, he would have done it during Trumps term where Trump would likely not engage in a war. And if Trump was a putin puppet like so many say, Putin would know this.

Putin isn't dumb. Why invade now and not a year ago when he would have got in without having to deal with US troops and machines.

Pussyhands · 25-01-2022 10:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529368#Comment_118529368

Read also that the Beijing Olympics are coming up and Russia won't want to upstage China's propaganda during the Olympics.

Also read that ground conditions are ideal now with it being frozen solid. In a few months it'll be thawed and it'll be muddy making it more difficult.

sameoldname · 25-01-2022 10:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529390#Comment_118529390

But he invaded back in 2014 when Obama was president? So what are you actually talking about?

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