Recommendation for a compact PHEV SUV

amargar · 19-01-2022 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499638#Comment_118499638

How easy is to find chargers then? I see myself having to spend Saturday morning driving around looking for a free charger

unkel · 19-01-2022 02:15PM

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You'll find whatever works best is more a mindset than anything else. Some people are innovators / early adopters, others are late majority or laggards. The world would be boring if we were all the same 😂

maidhc · 19-01-2022 02:24PM

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I agree. I just don’t care enough. I drive an avensis diesel and barely remember to fill it with diesel these days for gods sake. :)

kanuseeme · 19-01-2022 02:50PM

Ford kuga phev, 42k. lowest spec.

BMW 225xe, cannot find a price, boot is as big as the outlander, newer models coming with 80 km range,

Opel grandland x 43k lowest spec, 46k highest spec.

Did you think about estates?

If your going electric give the MG a look.

Driving phev's 3 years now, if you listened to most here, you would have gotten leafs,(battery degradation) ioniqs (short range & newer not as good as old) Hyundai (battery replacements) Tesla ( every S 85 battery replaced) ID's still have niggly bits to be fixed and phevs are a tax dodge compliance car.

I have never planned a trip, never worried about a charger, just get in and go, plug in when and where available and I don't really care what any one else drives.

With brexit, 2nd hand cars are expensive, I think supply will depend on UK, Japan and new sales here. A 400 km range EV is fine now but in 8 years what range will it be, and who is going to take a chance on it, at least a 7 year old phev will do 22 km and average trips are only 15 km

Its up to you, best of luck

Grumpypants · 19-01-2022 04:05PM

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Depends where you want to go. There are maps like esb https://esb.ie/ecars/charge-point-map and easy go https://mycarcharger.etrel.com/#/portal/locations that will help get you to one. I think Google maps or even some of the car's own sat navs sometimes can bring you to a charger.

Once you start looking you will start to notice them and know when and where to go and at what times.

Chargers are really busy around the main long stretches of road and around the city. But not so much in the small towns.

unkel · 19-01-2022 04:24PM

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You don't need to public charge at all if you can granny charger overnight at your destination.

kanuseeme · 19-01-2022 05:00PM

Beware of insects, criminals etc. coming in through the open window.

Squeaksoutloud · 19-01-2022 05:25PM

Thinking similar SUV myself for 2023. Possibly XC40 Single Motor which I haven't seen discussed much in here but is similar price point. My big concern is plonking a roof box on a BEV during the longer summer trips will massively reduce its range. Has anyone been doing this?

amargar · 19-01-2022 08:38PM

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Totally right, didn't think of that. We will be packing surfboards and filling the boot, we can't rely just on an electric engine, so we'll go for PHEV

Casati · 21-01-2022 11:34PM

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Very interesting re battery health - is it typical the PHEV's that are charged 3/4 times a day would lose so much battery range? I know quite a few rural drivers with peeve's using them in this manner though their cars are newer so maybe this issue is coming?

NIMAN · 21-01-2022 11:55PM

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Also found this interesting.

As our main car is petrol, we had thought of maybe going PHEV next time we change, as both our commutes might be doable with just the battery.

But in that case, it would be getting a lot of charge cycles. Due to PHEV usually having relatively small batteries, perhaps they would suffer long term?

Grumpypants · 22-01-2022 01:34AM

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I guess every battery suffers some loss due to use. The more times it gets filled and discharged the more of an impact this will have, bigger batteries in modern EV won't really run into this. But my 2015 phev has a much smaller battery.

If you consider it got on average 2-3 charges a day for 1200 days. That's 2400-3600 cycles. It's no surprise it is going down.

MightyMunster · 22-01-2022 07:55AM

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A PHEV is the worst of both worlds, have to charge it once or twice a day (often quoted as moan issue with BEVs) vs twice a week. Then for long trips it's very thirsty so you've to stop at a garage anyway to refuel and costs a fortune. Then there's the additional maintenance costs, and don't forget the fires.

fits · 22-01-2022 08:10AM

OP We have had a BEV for six months ( ID.3) and we haven’t needed to public charge once. Not once. It’s such a joy to drive that even for long journeys it’s always chosen in preference to the other car an Audi Q5 unless we have specific need for the Q5. I really don’t think you’d regret going full BEV.

also if you like to camp consider something that can do v2l and give your camp power. Would be so handy for us.

unkel · 22-01-2022 12:24PM

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In any EV, it's pretty easy to do a DIY V2L system as long as you are sensible, hook it up to the 12V system with a fused loop and keep the draw lowish (mine is hooked up to a 600W continuous pure sine wave inverter - this is enough for a microwave or travel kettle, etc.)

22-01-2022 01:02PM

MG ZS or Renault Megane e-tech(if you are patient) would have similar boot space to a Subaru Outback. Expect an EV to take just under 2kwh of charge per hour from a 220v socket.

Citroen e-C4 and Peugeot e2008 just got a real-world 20 to 30km range increase in the last month too.

15 minutes at a fast charger in Athlone would bring you all the way to M4/M50 interchange.

Citroen e-C4 now or Megane later in year would be my preference although consider the Cupra el-Born as an outside.

If you are racking up 30k km of travel each year then there is a few hundred euro saving in standard servicing straight away on top of all the fuel saved.

KCross · 22-01-2022 01:12PM

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its a misconception, a PHEV is not thirsty even when battery is dead. 4-5l/100km is achievable on the motorway. Nothing thirsty about that.

not sure what your graphic shows but I’ve never seen any general fire concern around PHEVs…. certainly no more than BEV.. and there are some really high profile examples of BEV fire hazards (GM bolt for one). Basically, fire is not a concern specifically for PHEV… that’s just FUD.

BEV vs PHEV…. BEV is all round better if it suits you but PHEV still has its place for some people. Most of the anti PHEV people just don’t see past their own needs.

amargar · 22-01-2022 04:05PM

Apart from the Enyaq, what other BEV SUVs are there? Big enough for us like the tucson

unkel · 22-01-2022 04:31PM

From the top of my head - Skoda Enyaq, VW ID.4, Audi etron Q4, Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, MG5, MG ZS, Tesla Model Y, Tesla Model X, Audi etron 50 / 55, BMW iX, Mercedes EQC, Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo, did I forget any?

fits · 22-01-2022 05:57PM

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Nissan Ariya and the Toyota one to be launched. Might get them as soon as anything.

unkel · 22-01-2022 09:27PM

Neither are for sale yet are they?

fits · 22-01-2022 09:29PM

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Not yet but Toyota going on sale mid year. Some of the vws are already sold out for 2022 so might make as much sense to go for a new model.

MightyMunster · 22-01-2022 10:36PM

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Not sure how a report by the insurance industry in the USA of all car fires by type is FUD, there's a whole industry involved in FUD to badmouth BEVs so they can keep selling oil and ice. Ice burns down a shopping in Cork and did the car manufacturer name even make the news? Imagine it was an EV, it would have been a front page headline.

Also not thirsty doesn't seem to be true either. I'd consider using 20% more fuel to be a significant increase.

Have no issue with PHEV where there's no alternative such as 7seaters, heavy towing etc... Just don't think it's a better option for the environment or 90%of people

kanuseeme · 22-01-2022 10:59PM

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Am I stupid or something? I am reading as better mpg for the hybrid.

The only PHEVs I remember catching fire was BMW, at people's homes, even in a dealer showroom, the EV catching fire thing did not bother me to say the truth, I imagine any car will catch fire, especially new models like BMW PHEVs.

I see in another thread 4 or 5 comments about a hotel charger and the car needing a charge and where to charge and locations that could be busy or not, fair enough if you want to spend 30 minutes before any journey of note to plan for it, I am sure 90% of people would not care to, in a phev it might cost 40 euro for the same trip but who would care when most of their daily drive is the same cost as a BEV without any planning, I am sure 90% would not even notice the difference in driving an ice/phev, only filling up a lot less.

Every morning it's like an extra 2 liters or more of petrol are added to the tank.

KCross · 22-01-2022 11:10PM

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Your graphic showed hybrid, it didn’t single out PHEV so you can’t infer anything about PHEV fires from what you posted.

ive first hand knowledge of the mpg of the Niro PHEV, posted here about it a few times where I I did Cork-Dublin test drive and it’s not thirsty. Try plugging that into your comparison tool and see what you get.

They are not thirsty regardless of what you’ve read and obviously if you are buying a PHEV they will be driving in EV mode a lot of the time so the real world mpg will be significantly better than your ICE figure.

If you buy a PHEV and drive it without charging it then you wasted your money buying it. It happened in the UK for a while with the Outlanders for BIK reasons but that’s not applicable here.

LillySV · 22-01-2022 11:24PM

we Sold our second car during Covid … was working at home so not needed.. now that we will most likely have to return to workplace, need to get a second car again and would ideally like something reasonably cheap and with good room in boot to carry big dog…. I’m thinking evs and phevs that suit this would most likely be 2015 onwards? so not sure what’s the best option for me? What evs are the lowest priced that would fit my needs and that are good to drive and reliable ? I see Kia’s and Hyundais all over the roads so assume they must be evs? If so which brand is typically better and more reliable ? Would battery life be a massive isssue if buying second hand also ?

btw I’ve been a big petrol head to now … very good knowledge of them but haven’t a clue of evs and the various terms associated to em so please be clear! 😂

22-01-2022 11:37PM

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Most of us would be using ABRP or similar which takes about 20 seconds, not 30 minutes to plan a route or else the onboard satnav will plan it with stops.

kanuseeme · 23-01-2022 12:17AM

I would not know how long it takes, I have never done it and it seemed to be a lot more thought went into it than 20 seconds worth.

23-01-2022 12:28AM

since you know nothing about route planning tools for EVs wouldn't it be better if you stepped backed, listened, read contributions of others rather than telling people that BEVs are not appropriate for longer distance travel.

kanuseeme · 23-01-2022 01:03AM

I don't care, I can do most of my driving in EV mode and any long drives I use petrol, if I am waiting, I will plug in, your grip seems to be with PHEVs charging at work if I am not mistaken, I bought a PHEV because of the same problems you have and I did not want that hassle.I can charge anywhere or any time I want, not look up some charger on a screen and hope for it to be free.

Recommendation for a compact PHEV SUV

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