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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Probably more down to quickly falling admissions but the a.m. numbers are what is tracked and that often varies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The WHO are all about the world stage and she is probably right on the grounds of the still very low vaccination rates worldwide. Then again it took the WHO quite a while to state that a rapidly spreading disease was a pandemic. Current global rates are 60% with one shot and just over 50% with two so a way to go yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Of course, all surveys are ridiculous. Unless one agrees with the results, in which case they're proof that people are finally "coming to their senses".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭ganoga


    awfully low vaccination rates in countries were covid seems to not affect the populace at all. there are more immediate threats to life and the health of nations than a few sniffles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    SA's rate is low enough yet two variants have emerged there. Global vaccination reduces that risk.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭ShadowTech


    I think many people just want to keep their expectations as low as possible following two years of being jerked around. NPHET has advised and the government has implemented policies that kept us closed when case numbers were double digits, kept us more restricted during the summer than other similar countries, promised us a full reopening at the start of flu season despite any fool seeing that wouldn’t work, implemented divisive policies that just two years ago none of us could ever have imagined happening in Ireland and would have been considered conspiracy theories, and on more than one occasion have told us one thing and done the opposite.

    It makes sense to be sceptical and to expect the worst because these lads haven’t done a great job. But yep, it certainly looks like I was wrong about them not meeting and not lifting some restrictions just as I was wrong that they would lock us down before New Year. I’m delighted! I hope I continue to be wrong and that the covid pass and mask mandate go, too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭ganoga


    it's not for us to decide to vaccinate the entire world. it is up to the leaders of those countries to make the right choice for their people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That's what called a cop-out but each to their own. There's an opportunity to put up a barrier of sorts up against this virus and we need to do everything possible on that score. Making sure that vaccine availability and programme structures are facilitated is key to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭ganoga



    there is no possibility of putting up a barrier. the virus is infecting the vaccinated. we are not going to force other countries(many of whom are doing a lot better than us!) to vaccinate their population with an ineffective vaccine so we can be safe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    910 in hospital this morning.

    107 cases into hospital in the last 24hrs, 72 of which had a positive PCR prior to admission.

    106 discharges



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    As an international health organisation they also have to be very careful to stick with known science and to tailor the message for everyone, not just a few. Their advice on breastfeeding, for example, is that all children should be breastfed for the first two years of life. There's nothing wrong with this, but where women have access to clean water and healthy foods, the statistical gain on breastfeeding past 6 months starts to drop very quickly. But for women where clean water may not be reliable or good quality food hard to come by, it is essential for child welfare. So you can see how the WHO's advice has to be really broad and be applicable globally.

    Although it's plain as day now that Omicron is endemic and cannot be eliminated, the WHO can't declare that to be a fact without the data and analysis to back it up.

    In terms of mutations, what we want to happen is to see new variants of Omicron. Thus far, each of the dominant Covid variants have come from separate sub-lineages of the original infection, which makes it a bit of a pot luck in terms of what traits you get. That is, Delta was not an descendent of Alpha, more a cousin. Likewise Omicron is not a descendent of Delta. Variants along a single sub-lineage are more predictable and tend to just be variations on infectiousness.

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    Separate to that, we have 910 in hospital this morning, a drop of 66. We're motoring now, should be a good week. Lots of noise in the media from various cabinet ministers about easing restrictions quickly, which tells us that it's a near-certainty. Hard to say exactly when; some narrators suggesting that it could be as early as this weekend. Ryan this morning saying the "end of next week". I think we can say for certain that on Friday 28th you'll be able to go for a pint in your local and stay till midnight. But it could be as soon as this Friday. The closing hours are the biggest thorn in everyone's side, and the government have basically admitted that they're pointless. So I expect they'll be seeking to eliminate it as soon as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,426 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    COVID: Booster vaccine programmes 'likely to prolong the pandemic', WHO chief warns | World News | Sky News

    The head of the World Health Organisation (WHO) has warned that "blanket" COVID-19 vaccine booster programmes were "likely to prolong the pandemic".

    Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the widespread distribution of boosters risked diverting supply to countries that had high levels of their populations already jabbed and away from those that need it most.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,946 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    But midnight closing is not an elimination of the restriction.

    If they want to eliminate it as soon as possible, then why not eliminate it as soon as possible?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    What's the difference in midnight closing & normal licencing hours closing ?

    Why do NPHET still want to retain a lever of control on hospitality ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Sure. Note that I didn't say they'd actually close at midnight just that you could still be in the pub at midnight 😋

    I have no idea what scheme they will concoct next. The roll back to midnight closing was a way to force nightclubs to close without explicitly closing them. I expect they'll still be too excessively cautious to allow nightclubs to open.

    The 8pm closing is what is annoying people the most at the moment. Because it's not just pubs, it's everything. So that's what they'll be looking to eliminate as early as possible. Nightclubs and very late opening only affects a small subset of the population - one which votes considerably less than the rest - so there's far less pressure to get them open yesterday. If we look at previous approaches of loosening restrictions and waiting two weeks, they'll probably wait till mid-Feb at the earliest before opening nightclubs. It's pointless, but on-form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,249 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    For pubs? Not a lot.


    For nightclubs? The ability to trade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    And the circus will begin again when popular nightclubs open from 6pm to midnight. Just avoid all that nonsense again please and open them. We will be grateful come next Winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,249 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Some people have to be dragged kicking and screaming out of a covid mentality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


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    Depends on the day. Pubs will win on some days!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Yes and it does away with everyone pouring out at the same time.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Just on the polls - the Indo's poll has 82% wanting restrictions lifted now. Similar to the ESRI one, it all depends how the question is framed. Confirmation bias always on show in them types of polls/surveys.

    Sure the ESRI survey still asks is the 'personal burden of restrictions' more important than stopping the virus spread. It's such an outdated and loaded question, dare I say it designed to weight more in favour of a certain answer.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In the same article, Ryan also mentions that mask wearing in schools and retail settings will be last to go. Ugh. So kids get landed with masks last, but probably have to keep them longer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭crossman47


    If you think the vaccine has been ineffective then you really haven't looked at a shred of evidence. The vaccines have saved us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    They are completely pointless in stopping Omicron in primary school where the kids eat lunch and snack in their classrooms. What percentage of primary school kids are even wearing masks that fit them. I don’t agree with them being mandatory in secondary either. Kids are supposed to be exposed to various viruses it’s how we build up our immune systems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    If you think the vaccine has been ineffective then you really haven't looked at a shred of evidence. The vaccines have saved us.

    The vaccines have further reduced the risk for the small minority who required hospital treatment with severe disease.

    There is still 50% vaccinated patients in hospital.

    Between June and November last year over 400 vaccinated people died of Covid.

    The vaccines didn't need to save 99% of the population, they just reduced the risk somewhat for the other 1%.



  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm shocked the government followed through and gave us a bonus. It being tax free is a nice addition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    ICU down 3 to 90



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Not doing so creates the potential for other variants but that really doesn't seem to bother you at all. This post suggests that you take a fairly dim view of the use of vaccines in any way and that you've just been completely ignoring all the evidence on the success of vaccines with severe disease. Anyway moving on with my campaign to vax the world, but you're welcome to ignore it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭ganoga


    best of luck on your campaign. Please withhold from restricting the freedom's of other people who don't hold your beliefs though



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