Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [ POSSIBLE SPOILERS ]

pixelburp · 18-01-2022 12:55PM

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To be fair, I liked this version of Picard too; as you say this was a man haunted by decisions made in his youth, left a bitter man. I'm sure many didn't like their hero beaten by a life left unfulfilled - shades of Luke Skywalker there I suppose - but for me, it was a great jumping-off point for a new story. Maybe something of the variety of It's a Wonderful Life, where Picard got to renew his lost purpose and sense of optimism.

Nope; we got nothing like that. I'm not even sure the writers knew where they were going with the show TBH, as seen by the increasingly bizarre back half, that spiralled out of control. All of what you describe might have been a great show, but it wasn't what we got.

Rawr · 18-01-2022 02:49PM

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He mightn't of had that much Borg tech left in him if any. The impression I got is that the amount of time you've got Borg tech in you determines how dependent you are on things like a Cordical Node or other serious changes the Borg appear to make. Looks like it's a really gradual process and he was only Borg for the guts of a week (?). The physiological damage was long lasting, and he had at least enough Borg tech in him to "hear" the Collective in First Contact, but I'm guessing he was mostly implant free at this stage.

However, being an android clone should indeed remove all of that. I wonder if they'll remember this when the Borg Queen turns up.

Evade · 18-01-2022 04:09PM

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Altan said he fixed the brain thing, he might have left the nonagenarian ED.

EltonJohn69 · 18-01-2022 07:08PM

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I would love if they bring Data back for one more scene where Jean Luc and Data discuss ED

Evade · 18-01-2022 07:38PM

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Data is fully functional after all

Slydice · 18-01-2022 09:49PM

Borg Queen! Borg Queen!

getting excited for the teases of the

Borg Queen!

Rawr · 19-01-2022 10:16AM

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Not as much a spoiler, she was in the teaser trailer :P

Bless your optimism, hopefully it is not misplaced. Although these people have made another Trek show that I have already given up on, I have some hope that ST:Picard can still be watchable and that I can glein some entertainment from Season 2. But I am weary of Secret Hideout's uncanny ability to take good ideas and fail to follow through.

That all said, Voyager had reduced the Borg Queen to the status of a Cartoon Villainess. So if they can manage to inject at least some intrigue or menace back into her character it will be a step up I feel.

Brian? · 19-01-2022 10:41AM

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She was cool the first time. But she’s been way over used IMO.

Brian? · 19-01-2022 10:45AM

Has everyone seen this trailer? It gives way too much away for my liking. 100% going to watch it all though

https://youtu.be/SWVA1ceMcko

faceman · 19-01-2022 10:52AM

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I must have missed that trailer. Didn't think they were doing a Star Trek 4 on it. FFS, this will just be another pile of poo like the first season.

Rawr · 19-01-2022 10:59AM

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I'd agree, but I feel that she's also been misused.

In First Contact, she was an interesting novelty, and her first appearance in Voyager was interesting. But then after that she sort of devolved into a rather feckless idiot monster-queen who didn't know how to throw a dozen cubes at Voyager to get rid of them. Her behavior in End Game was beyond silly.

They could have made her cunning and extremely dangerous, but the Voyager crew routinely beat her with not too much difficulty. Future Janeway suggested that she had even beaten the Queen multiple times on her way home, suggesting that even after 20+ years of fighting an isolated Starfleet vessel, the Borg Queen still couldn't beat them.

The Borg Queen could be good again, if they can figure out a way to make her a more complex and dangerous character.

Brian? · 19-01-2022 12:58PM

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Did you watch the trailer? She's going to be plugging like a time travel sat nav.

Stark · 19-01-2022 01:38PM

Looks like we won't have to wait too long more for this. Premiering March 3rd.

Rawr · 21-01-2022 12:03PM

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I wouldn't discount the ability of a (well written) villain to get herself unhooked from that and fashion a new torso for herself. Looks like she was getting friendly with Dr. Agnes in the trailer. Maybe this was just seconds before she jumps her, assimilates her and transfers herself over onto a new body.

I won't mind Agnes being reformed as a Borg Queen. Would be a step up from the Android-scientist who didn't seem too haunted by her unnecessary murder of Maddox, which I'm convinced the writers had somehow managed to forget about by the end of Season 1. She kind of annoys me, and it would do no harm to the show if she just went away..

pixelburp · 21-01-2022 12:35PM

Watched the trailer again for this; had kinda forgotten what the thrust of Season 2 was. I had also forgotten how suspiciously cheap it all looked, what with the convenient time-travel back to 2021 Los Angeles.

Evade · 21-01-2022 12:58PM

WWIII started in the 2020s. Picard having to steer Earth towards WW3 as a necessary evil to correct the timeline and ensure the Federation and Earth's place in it exists as we know it would be a pretty good moral dilemma and would tie back into the trial in Encounter at Farpoint.

odyssey06 · 21-01-2022 01:05PM

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I was going to say Galactica 1980 are looking for royalties!

But Trek has been here before, with TOS episode "Assignment Earth" trying to be a pilot for a 1968 set series & Voyager has a nice 'contemporary' trip to LA also iirc

ilovesmybrick · 21-01-2022 01:11PM

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Oh, I quite like that idea! That sounds like fun.

Evade · 21-01-2022 01:14PM

I just had a bad thought

Picard: We will need contemporary clothing and communicators to blend in

Raffie: I've got it covered JL. I've combined our communicators and tricorders into this. It looks like an Apple iPhone 14 the premier communication device of this period *awkwardly holds logo towards to the camera*

pixelburp · 21-01-2022 01:30PM

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Huh. That would be a good twist all right; but don't you dare try and get my hopes up for any kind of narrative complexity.

I also imagine, in regards to cheapness, the bulk of the actual FX will be various cutaways to Picard's ship in orbit; the captain relegated to a "tech support" when some futuristic narrative fast-tracking is needed.

Brian? · 21-01-2022 02:18PM

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I don’t have the faith in the writers doing that good a job.

Stark · 21-01-2022 02:54PM

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That's why we're not getting it 😛

Evade · 21-01-2022 05:35PM

Realistically it'll be mediocre, at best, and will probably abandon what's arguably the most interesting new character after the third episode.

_Kaiser_ · 21-01-2022 05:37PM

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I saw this trailer a while back and it reminded me of a story I read years ago - The Gift. Here's a synopsis (spoilers etc):

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-gift-picard-q-comic-brother/

Looks like several elements from this new season may have been "inspired" by this? (Q sends Picard back in time where a Picard has turned the Federation into a dictatorship) Another Discovery-style mess in the making?

Meh, I won't be watching anyway. They killed Picard at the end of season 1 anyway.

EoinMcLovin · 21-01-2022 07:50PM

https://youtu.be/Rtq9s5azuBU

New trailer

Evade · 21-01-2022 07:59PM

Is that the ST:IV time travel method?

cassette50 · 21-01-2022 08:06PM

2024 is the year of the Bell Riots? So in theory they could run into Sisko and Bashir 😂

pixelburp · 21-01-2022 08:10PM

Naw. Looks like crap. Really hate those "future people visit the past" stories and Trek IV only worked cos it leaned into the comedy; Picard has been consistently too self-serious to know when to throttle the melodrama. While in the week The Expanse finished and left us 3 books shy, I'm getting sick of this cheap narrative diarrhea passing itself off as professional scriptwriting.

Plus you just know the Guinan appearance will be one scene, then she's gone for the rest of the season. As it was in season 1; aka, pandering