Second Captains Part II

I mean, it should… having a pause for thought about how our small actions may in small ways support bigger social behaviours is not a bad thing. So so many destructive little behaviours are baked into us, and it’s entirely healthy to check ourselves every so often on the root causes of our choices, and if we can do better.

I don’t think he’s saying “you are the cause”, I think he’s saying “you can be part of a solution” in at least some cases.

Just spotted your own name is a reference to casual misogyny from Richard Keyes…

https://youtu.be/zQ4FqjqCIEk

out of curiosity, why did you choose it? And do you think maybe choosing it - even just cause you thought it was funny - might just be yet another little reinforcing buttress for misogynistic behaviour? Another little statement to the world that ‘yeah, this is fine/funny/bantz.’?

The reason they left newstalk was to give them the freedom to discuss things like current affairs. Their take is interesting..

Wanted more money, less hours and an input into current affairs drive time show

Eoin mentioned on yesterdays pod they will be covering the topic in more detail later in the week.

I hope they discuss that disturbing drink 'spiking' crisis that occurred before Christmas.

Murph struggling to articulate his point midway through todays pod. He says a lot with saying anything sometimes.

Do you also not drive given the fact women are more likely to die in a car accident than be murdered out for a walk? So they 'feel' safer?

This pushing of a fear agenda is not based in any sort of reality. Regardless of how women 'feel' - they have never been safer in society and are murdered at a rate far lower than that of men (acnowledging one murder of either gender is one more than we would like).

That men are now supposed to cross the street when they see a women or keep their hands out of their pockets (what is that about ffs?) to make people who have an irrational fear 'feel' safer is absolute codswallop.

Disappointing to see the usual boards straw man arguments usually reserved for AH appearing in this thread. Do wonder why some of the posters are even listening to the podcasts, they were always going to cover this. Sinead O' Caroll is a regular contributor and those who are surprised by this have either wilfully ignored the SC crews fairly obvious political leanings or haven't been paying attention. Those who are spouting the idiotic 'stick to sports' opinions would be better served elsewhere I suspect, OTB, FW or wherever else they want to go but this is who SC have always been and will likely always be so I would suggest either accepting that or finding a different podcast.

Oh I have no interest in engaging with your absolute nonsense. You're not a regular poster here and as far as I can see your first post in this thread was earlier today, back to AH with your absolute rubbish.

Ireland presses the hysteria button very readily. We see it with COVID restrictions.

ireland is a stable politically, socially dull country where not a whole lot happens but we like to talk and communicate so when something happens that strikes a chord then the media machine can go into overdrive.

when you see the danger that other countries live with like the Ukraine is experiencing right now then it should give people a bit of perspective of the true level of danger they live in.

Should I not be angry that people have hijacked a terrible event to push a dangerous and sexist narrative?

And that such a narrative would not be allowed if it were about any other group of people in the world? Black people, Muslims, LGBQ, Jews, Asians - you name it. Ascribing responsibility for an evil murder to an entire group is bigoted. Telling an entire group that they need to change and are responsible when someone else in their group (pick your poison from above) does something horrific is bigoted.

Ireland is statistically, provably one of the safest countries in the world, and even in that safety - on the rare occasion a murder happens it is 80% likely for it to be a male victim. Whatever is going on in the media right now is certainly not reflective of reality and I thought the lads would be better than to get involved in the bile.

Acting like harrassment is a female only experience. Everybody gets harrassed. We have an issue in this country with sentencing and policing. We need stricter sentences and more visible policing. Until those issues are sorted, the rest is performative virtue signalling nonsense.

Safe to say the people falling over themselves giving out about todays pod didn't actually listen to it... They explicitly mentioned in the pod that they're not saying that if people control what they say and do that women won't still get murdered, but they did say that is there any harm in controlling your behaviour?

As others have said, if ye could decamp to AH please, that'd be sound.

While all of this sounds nice, it is a patent misrepresentation of what is objectively true. The people discussing these topics in public are not the kind of people who are going to bring about material change. Violence against LGBT persons is actually increasing, particularly gay men and this has been known for some time. It is also facetious to suggest the root cause of these issues are cultural when that is clearly not the case as evidenced by statistics, if it was a cultural issue it would be far more prevalent and common in society, which it is not and you're just gaslighting people into believing common buzzwords people are picking up on social media.

The cultural argument essentially believes that if we force change, in terms of language and education, then these crimes will taper off over time. That is a fanciful argument as men have drastically changed their behaviour towards women yet sexual crimes and violence against women are still increasing. The majority of people who believe in the cultural argument also believe in restorative justice, which just trivialises sexual crime and allows devious people to convince the probation services they have been rehabilitated.

If we want to make society safer for women then we need to have a real discussion instead of faux-altruism and buzzwords, that are untrue and are devoid of reality. The crux of suggestions on Irish media over the past few days has been for mothers to stop saying boys will be boys and lots of talk about toxic masculinity. Its useless discussion that unqualified people attempt to gaslight the public when the statistics and causes of these crimes have been known and studied for a long time.

Education is important, but not nearly as important as a deterrence and a system that can start identifying people who are engaging in behaviours that will eventually lead to violence/sexual crimes. Crime is trivialised in this country, the criminal justice system is a joke, yet nobody is talking about the things we can change with legislation. It's also worth pointing out that people are individuals, perhaps teaching people personal responsibility might help instead of demonising groups of people which likely just makes the extreme ends of those groups more reclusive and angry.

Telling a rapist not to rape just doesn't work. If someone is a danger to society then they should be removed from society. Very rarely does someone wake up one day and commit murder/rape. It's a serious of crimes, escalating, each time the offender is able to detach themselves further from responsibility as the punishment is almost always trivial in comparison to the crime.