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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    They can shove their “pocket of freedom” where the sun don’t shine. You either have freedom or you don’t. Freedom is an absolute.



  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    If, and it's a BIG if, we got something that bypassed immunity quite dramatically, we would be. That's why I think we need to keep monitoring and getting the vaccines rolled out globally rather than just this patchy approach of some countries with very high uptake and others with almost none.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭growleaves


    That is the oddest lie ever told.

    When places were open until midnight I wasn't posting in this forum at all because I was out every night.

    Pro-restrictions posters have literally said that the 8pm curfew makes no difference to them (and try to make out it makes no difference to anyone)

    Yet according to you it is the posters who against restrictions most passionately who will be most sorry to see the 8pm curfew go. Yeah sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,435 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Any reason for not looking at 2020? (as all data for 2021 isn't collated yet):

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    you can play with the data here and look at the sources (and the world):

    Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19) - Statistics and Research - Our World in Data



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭cheezums


    Good post. Thankfully the vast majority of Irish people showed their mental fortitude over the last two years, followed the guidance and got on with their lives as best they could. A smaller portion of the population showed that they were completely mentally unequiped to deal with an existential threat like a disruptive global pandemic and employed classic textbook coping mechanisms like convincing themselves there was no threat, and reinforcing this delusion by seeking out conspiracy theories and falsehoods, and mocking those who showed actual resilience in dealing with a global pandemic. I only hope that they will one day recognise this and may be better prepared to deal with the next threat like a mature adult.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Be honest, you're going to be livid when this is over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭growleaves


    It won't happen because that's not how it works. We all have much stronger immunity than we did in 2019 so how can a variant of the thing we have stronger immunity to bypass our immunity completely out of nowhere?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Lol

    The only times you'll even see me on here is when I can't go out and do other stuff. Its mid-winter and everything is closed so I'm wasting time on the internet.

    Last Janaury I was on here a lot as well. That was mid-winter and we were in full lockdown and, like now, I was sitting in my room wasting time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Sweden sure paid for their lack of lockdowns 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,307 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti



    This!

    Any measure that is a restriction must be proven necessary, proportionate and effective. Looking to reverse the burden of proof is a pathetic last ditch attempt at rescuing the 'mask message'.

    Any serious attempt at proving their effectiveness outside of some very specific (lab) conditions so far have ended up like this.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59895934



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭vegandinner


    Last summers lockdown wasn’t necessary. It was meretricious to the group think on boards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭Danye


    With the HSE admitting that up-to 30% of Covid cases documented in hospital were actually admitted to hospital for something else but showed up as positive when tested, will they now review the deaths “with” Covid and “because” of Covid as well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    It couldn’t be any clearer in black and white on the HSE site




    Restricted movements

    Your child needs to restrict movements (stay at home) for 7 days.

    They should do this from when they were last in contact with the person who tested positive. If you do not know when this was, do this from when you get the close contact text message from the HSE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,951 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    My reading of numbers says it is 58%, not 30%.

    I am happy to be proven wrong, and almost feel it must be wrong because that is such a huge difference that I cannot see how people are not more vocal about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Because they are in for something else . Fractures , gall stones , appendicitis , heart attack , accident etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    907 in hospital this evening. That means there were 116 more people discharged than admitted between 8am and 8pm today.

    Great to see. Should also hopefully keep us below 1100 come Monday morning.

    The real drops will likely come next week now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Hold on. First Tony said it was 10%. Then the HSE said Tony was right but with Omi it went up to 30%. Now these guys are saying it's 58%. Somebody is playing fast and loose, with very import numbers, that have had a massive impact on most peoples lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Presumably they are in hospital for some other medical reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭Polar101


    I go to cafes quite often. I wouldn't be a huge fan of having to show the covid cert, but it doesn't exactly take very long. And the "contact tracing forms" are annoying and in my opinion completely useless. But other than that, it's pretty much business as usual. Hopefully things get back to "normal" soon enough.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭Polar101


    I suppose they should say "Covid symptoms". If I'm in the hospital, my leg is broken, and I test covid positive but don't have symptoms, I don't think I'm feeling great. Not the best article.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Yes. But we were told that number was 10%. Then 30%. That headline appears to be off too. Reading here it's 42% with symptoms so I guess it's 58% without. The 42% with symptoms may not have presented because of those symptoms either.




  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It’s nothing to do with the covid certs or the tracing. It’s just I find the ambience is totally gone in a lot of places. It’s more just in, coffee & out. Utilitarian.

    I was in a fairly large cafe in Cork on Tuesday and they’d a very long counter with food on display. Huge space. No issues with social distancing. There’s a sign at the top of the queue that says wait to be seated.

    We were waiting about 4 or 5 mins and a family was ahead of me. I was standing well back.

    The place was almost totally empty, so they were moving very slightly beyond the sign looking at the display cabinet of food to see what to order. The next thing a waitress came over, and lectured them from upon high “Wait AT the sign! Do NOT go past the sign!.” It was like being back in school.

    That’s the kind of thing that wrecks it for me. I can deal with the certs, the masks, the hand sanitiser but it’s every now and then you encounter totally unreasonable stuff like that.

    I’m also finding some places are implementing contact tracing outdoors. I’m not sure that’s ever been required?

    Then other places won’t even look at the covid cert when you open the app and they walk away looking awkward and take no details at all for tracing and kind of do the wink, wink, nudge, nudge type thing. I find that worse.

    Between that and being unable to hear people because I’m a little deaf, it just makes the whole thing not worth my while anymore. I’ve a few places I go because they’ve good outdoor seating and that’s pretty much my limit.



  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are you not getting into pedantic discussions of the comorbidity killed them but it was triggered by COVID?

    If you’ve a heart condition, got delta and died because you took a heart attack, that’s most likely because you got delta and are just more at risk of dying if your cardiac system is put under extreme stress.

    I mean most people don’t die of lots of viruses and illnesses but they die because those illnesses push them beyond their limits and some comorbidity is the technical cause of death.

    I have treated high blood pressure, which is technically a comorbidity… I’m 100% otherwise healthy though. It’s just a glitch that I’ve had since my early 20s, yet no doubt I’d be classified as having a deadly comorbidity.

    If you lock down everyone with high BP, asthma, etc etc etc next thing you’ve half the essential workers in the country locked down…

    There are some people who are highly vulnerable, even to flu. They’re somewhat stuck at the moment but some of these descriptions of comorbidity are so broad that they’d include probably most of the population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Also in that article in the Independent of the 453 Covid positive patients reviewed, 67 were unvaccinated. Just under half of all those currently in hospital positive for Covid were included in the review.

    27 of the 322 not needing Oxygen and 42 of the 130 needing Oxygen were unvaccinated. Still disproportionate as expected but not at levels justifying the level of scorn and blame aimed at the unvaccinated. From those figures - estimate 15% unvaccinated.

    Yes Omicron has changed things, but the burden the unvaccinated supposedly have on hospitalisations isn’t holding up. This message should be communicated and passes discontinued.

    *Just as an observation of the discrepancies in 30%/58% if a patient has no symptoms on admission, they may develop them and need some treatment. The important data is treated for symptoms vs not - I gather the percentage not needing treatment is 30%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    They haven't though.......



    No, Walensky was not referring to all COVID-19 deaths when she stated over 75% of the deaths were in people with at least four comorbidities.


    Walensky was referring to a study that found out of about 1.2 million fully vaccinated people, only 36 died of COVID-19. Twenty-eight out of 36 people, or 78%, had four or more comorbidities.



  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There’s no question about it - the vaccines had a very, very positive impact.

    I think they’ve been the one ray of light in this for the last couple of years, whatever the conspiracy theorists might say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,796 ✭✭✭✭Paul Tergat


    They are claiming that as there can be no isolation from parents then the timeframe doesn't hold as there is no way to break the contact to start the time for the 7 days. They said that the extra 7 days are needed as the time period for us to potentially stop transmission to ou daughter will continue on (given no break in contact) and so after say day 7 for us we can be deemed free that she could still have only just contracted covid from us and take 7 days herself to get it out of her system. It's a ridiculous loophole that is unfair on her for various reasons, not least as she cannot possibility be vaccinated etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    So which child 0-12 can break contact from a parent then ? Then the HSE say children 0-12 household close contact isolate for 7 days . No mention of what you mention above

    No 1 year old obviously can isolate from a parent so who are the actually talking about then . ?

    It makes no sense what you are being told as no under 12 can isolate from a parent basically

    Personally I would be sticking to the HSE guidlines on the official HSE site


    i remember a poster here telling that someone on the HSE phone line told her to isolate her 3 year old in a room

    She told him she would report him to Tusla !!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    When out for an evening trying to put all the gloom to one side the covid pass is an unwelcome reminder of the unnecessary dystopia we live in.

    I don't like restrictions, obviously you do. That's fine

    Hop you got something nice in the shopping basket



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