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URC Round 10 - Munster vs. Ulster - Saturday, Jan 8th @ 7.35pm - Premier Sports 2, RTE 2, URC TV

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,206 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    None of the Irish sides have been that impressive this season imo. They've all shown weaknesses. Leinster in particular don't look as well drilled this year. Could be how the season is now structured differently which leads to less game time for the second string. Covid disruptions have been problematic as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,206 ✭✭✭✭Clegg




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭TomsOnTheRoof


    Agree wholeheartedly. Criminally underrated player. He's one of our few world class players.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Nicole Purring Six-pack




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,206 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    If you can't comprehend that I was talking about Ireland then I can't help you there.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Nicole Purring Six-pack


    You said the two best locks in Ireland you never said according to Ireland coaches exclusively I guess that's what you mean but it's a fairly reductive point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    And thats his first game in a few weeks as well



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭TomsOnTheRoof


    Yeah it's pretty impressive. He seems to be able to do everything on the pitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Farrels role tonight was as a ball carrier. He is more than capable of running and passing but he played his role well tonight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Who are you comparing them against?

    Previous years without the disruption?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭TomsOnTheRoof


    The problem is he hasn't been employed as a passing centre in quite some time (to be fair this seems to be an issue amongst all four provinces). He's also going into contact a bit too high. I really think we should be looking at Daly and Coombes outside DDA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,206 ✭✭✭✭Clegg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,415 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    It doesn't really matter what's fair or not. Won't matter in Europe if we're not up to speed (which at this point, it's fair to say the provinces don't seem to be).



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    I never remember interpros as poor in quality as the past two weeks. Slightly concerning signs for the Six Nations perhaps?

    Obviously covid disruption is playing a huge part in that but are other countries as badly affected? If they are the Six Nations is going to be a difficult watch from a spectacle perspective.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    The lack of ambition from Ulster and Munster to play rugby was concerning yes.

    Connacht did try to play but the breakdown and offside line was a total sh*tshow which made it very difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,998 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    I was at this (haven't watched it back, not sure I will!!) but I don't know if how atrocious the conditions were came across on the box. At one point I looked at the flags at the Mayorstone end, two of them blowing different directions and one not at all. The wind was swirling like mad the whole game and there was plenty of rain to boot. I don't think bemoaning a 'lack of ambition to play rugby' in that is very fair. Especially when we lost a player in the opening minutes. We did miss a couple of overlaps all the same when camped on their line.

    I thought our subs won it for us, JOD and the kids brought fresh energy and impetus. I thought Beirne was sensational, he really has it all. Haley was brilliant also bar that kick out of the full. He's very unlucky not to be in consideration for Irish honours, he's been a very good signing for us. Great positionally, steps off both feet, good clearance kicker, good in the air. Not saying he should be ousting Keenan but he's worth a look at international level.

    Crowley made a few mistakes but you can see there's a very talented player in there. Aherne had a fine game, he was utterly spent coming off. I was a big Niall Scannell fan but since that injury a couple of season ago he just seems to have lost his mojo with ball in hand completely, I think we need to be giving Barron the jersey for the rest of the season.

    Rather than bemoaning Munster's efforts, I came away from that match wondering how Ulster were so poor against 14 for 70-odd mins. They didn't fire many shots at us at all.

    As an aside, the general narrative across the media since the Connacht game has been a bit much - some of those players hadn't played much rugby in a couple of months. Zebo tonight was playing his first game since October 11 or something. We're basically back to a 'first game of the season' scenario, give them a break. I don't think we're getting the most out of the squad in coaching terms at all and am glad JvG is leaving but a little bit of perspective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭Red Silurian




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Have you been watching any of the Premiership or Top14 games? We're not the only tournament having COVID trouble



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    The 6 nations is a formality the way france are playing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,142 ✭✭✭OldRio


    What an utterly dreadful game of Rugby. Awful.

    How Burns is getting paid for playing Rugby is a mystery to me. Ulster were clueless.

    As for Munster? It seems for some that the bar is set so low nowadays, that the performance last night was somewhat acceptable. IMHO it was pure muck. (apart from Beirne)

    Perhaps JVG wants to leave now? Perhaps the players want him to leave now? Somethings not right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 pickpaint01


    😐️😔 i really awkward



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,189 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Ah here, Munster came from behind to win after playing for 65 mins with 14 in absolutely awful conditions. Nobody's claiming its the second coming of JVG, but it was a decent performance in the circumstances and conditions and a bloody good result.

    Where's the deserved pile on for McFarland, who IMO is a bluffer no better than JVG.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Simon Hick on Twitter made the point Ulster scored more in 15 mins against 15 men than they did in 65 mins vs 14.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,189 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    I'd suggest that your friends aren't very knowledgeable about the laws of the game then. I was in the ground and it was obvious from the countless replays on the two huge screens that Zebo had made contact to Lowrys face with his shoulder and that he had made no attempt to wrap.

    In fact Crowley could also have seen a card in the same incident.

    But I do agree that some on here must never been to a sporting fixture if they've never heard the home crowd react badly to red card for one of their players. It happens all the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭phily2002


    It was shocking to be honest. They were happier to just kick into the 22 then to try and score. You'd have thought they were 20 points up with the bonus point in the bag. Serious lack of leadership...



  • Administrators Posts: 54,091 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    With the 50/22 rule now it is inexcusable that we didn't run Munster all over the park when they were a man down. I only saw the second half and it was pure muck from us. Munster looked to have the backfield covered which means there was definite gaps available in the defensive line if we had the brains to find them.

    Burns is terrible, don't understand why he got a new deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,550 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Is Madigan injured or what's the craic with him? I've only seen him start a handful of games and doesn't look obviously terrible. I'd imagine he's a viable alternative if he's fit.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Hard to disagree with that, awec. Add in a debutante, 22 year old winger, and Ulster definitely didn’t make the most of it. I can only remember French getting caught out once.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,361 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I was at the game and I genuinely thought the TMO was looking at the lads taking Lowry out in the air, I think most of the booing was because it was clear Lowry had a leg on the ground before the tackle. Those near me didn't realise nor how could they without commentary notice that it was the shoulder by Zebo that the ref and TMO was concentrating on. There's a lot to be said that the Ref/TMO conversations should be available on the stadium speakers.

    Once we clawed it back to 6-7 I was happy enough that we could win the game, I was annoyed that we didn't find touch immediately after the restart from our 2nd try but looking at it later French was unlucky in that an Ulster player made contact with him just as he kicked the ball and it sliced inwards to the field of play.

    Losing POM immediately before kick off and Zebo within 15 minutes was definitely not the start we needed but in fairness everyone dug it and fronted up and thankfully we got the win.

    I was near the coaching ticket on the East Terrance and was happy to give them thumbs up for the win after the match, they must have been under terrible pressure in the last week or so. Great to see the players with a smile of their faces too even before the fulltime whistle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭ersatz


    I only caught the first half and didn't expect Munster to play their way back into it, especially given the amount time they spent on Ulsters line with nothing to show for it. It is worrying that whatever else is going on around the park Munster can't convert goal line possession as they used to.

    Fair play though, they collected themselves and took advantage Ulster's limitations on the day.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    "...with nothing to show for it."

    To be fair, at least this weekend gone, they decided to kick the 3 after 2 penalties, so not entirely nothing to show for it (even if it should've been a try).

    And more generally, to me it seems the 5m tap-and-go, which had become really popular over the last 12 months, seems to becoming better defended? Interested to see what happens there during the 6N tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,142 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Sooooo Zebo decision was incorrect.

    I'm utterly baffled.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,831 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,797 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    Unless they had an angle that no one else had then that decision makes no sense.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Andy Incalculable Shortbread


    That's an amazing decision. You could easily see someone in a different tournament get a 4 week ban for that.


    Edit, for more context the article in the Indo is saying Zebo didn't really make contact, Crowley did, but he also won't be sanctioned. This quote is bizarre:


    >Instead, it was Munster out-half Jack Crowley who completed the tackle, with extensive reviews of the footage suggesting Zebo made "minimal contact whistle wrapping his left arm.


    Given it was Zebo's right shoulder was the offending one, and he didn't wrap with that arm at all.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,091 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I've given up trying to understand disciplinary decisions in this league. This makes no sense whatsoever.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    That zebo one puzzled me too. It looked like an unfortunate but fair red card on the day. I thought we got to see all angles on it too.

    Anyways, good news for Zebo on a good day for Munster with RG signing up for a couple more years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,361 ✭✭✭✭phog


    The citing window is over so Crowley can't be cited now.


    The TMO and ref decided Zebo was the guilty player and the hearing say they can't accept that and it was never a red card so he's free to play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,142 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Like I said, utterly Baffling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    The ref didn't "decide" that Zebo was the guilty player. The video of Zebo very clearly shoulder charging into the jaw of a player while not wrapping correctly showed that he was the guilty player. An utterly baffling decision.

    Post edited by Teferi on


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭UAEguy2020


    If that's the case then why was there a huge number of fans spitting fire about Brad Shields hit being a red? By the same definition does this confirm that Brad Shields red was a correct decision?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    What does Brad Shields have to do with Zebo very clearly shoulder charging into the jaw of a player while not wrapping correctly?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭UAEguy2020


    Brad Shield hit David Kilcoyne in the jaw without wrapping correctly yet it was considered an outrage that he got a red...I am just curious as to what's the difference?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    But we're discussing how Zebo very clearly shoulder charging into the jaw of a player while not wrapping correctly?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭UAEguy2020


    "Clearly Shoulder charging"....lol.... Not even going to waste my time on that guff


    Im still wondering, what is the difference in the two hits? As by definition they are exactly the same only one seems to he an "outrage" and other one is clearly deserved...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭phily2002


    Brad Shields one Kilcoyne was tackled into him by another player from what I remember, so that was the mitigation from red to yellow, ref and tmo butchered that one imo.

    Zebo and Crowley both seemed to make contact with the head and either could have got the red. Low end red for me with little ban. Chris Farrells was a lot worse the previous week, clear red.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,091 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    It makes no difference to me if Zebo is banned or not, but this is total rubbish. Zebo isn't a dirty player, this is just a lazy tackle attempt, but the outcome is crystal clear.

    For me, there is unequivocal contact from Zebo's shoulder to Lowry's face and no attempt to wrap. To suggest that this is not worthy of any sanction is genuinely ridiculous, and to say that the problem is the other player, who they conveniently never cited, only adds fuel to the fire that disciplinary hearings in this league are a sham.



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