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Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I don't know if it will lead to emigration but it's one fúcking thing after another.

    A sample of monthly outgoings this/last month:

    €2200 rent

    €1100 crèche

    €230 ESB

    €200 Gas

    €800 car insurance (no accident ever, 15 years driving)

    €200 car tax

    €2300 family health insurance

    After years of doing sweet fúck all to deal with these issues, they want to take my two cheap cans a week away from me too? Sure what's another €140 a year to this lad, he can take it? It's not just this, it's this bollocks on top of everything else.

    I'm in NI every couple of months and you can be damn sure I'll be carrying the full load home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,522 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    The kind of places Irish people tend to emigrate to have the same issues with housing, high health care costs, inflation etc

    But none of what you listed could really be described as the "enjoyable activities" are being made more and more unaffordable for young people that the other poster was on about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    We need to create an online petition to get the Dail bar/s closed in-line with the government's own health policy.

    I doubt anyone will do much, maybe sign the petition, I haven't heard a single thing about the avoidance/boycott of premises owned by TDs etc. whatever was discussed.

    I think any petition would have to include asking the government to stop supporting charities with our money.

    AAI are also actively trying to ban online purchases, when most places won't already deliver here because of the excise complications.

    Most of my friends still don't get MUP and think it's just a small price hike "Like the cigarettes".

    This is BEFORE the introduction of MUP. I believe MUP is just the straw that broke a lot of backs:

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    Some more reading here

    https://www.drinksindustry.ie/assets/Documents/DIGI-Tax-Report-2019.pdf

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,214 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I don't care about a pensioner that someone invented in their head, and patronised them to the point of being an object of pity. Somehow forced to spend some of their money on drink. And tried to shame me into feeling sorry for them. I won't join in that charade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    No one wants pity, they just want to be able to enjoy a can at market price, not some artificially floored one.


    The only charade is that this is a public health measure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,214 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    If they managed to reach retirement without ever having to curtail their spending on drink, then they will probably be OK at the new prices. If they had to "cut their cloth" before, they will be used to that as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,058 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    God when you see it like that you really understand how bad weve been treated by successive governments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,507 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You dont care full stop. Throwing up a smokescreen about an invented pensioner so you can dodge consideration of the impact if a measure you support

    No need to read the rest of your post which is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ear.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    But they normally charge €10+ for yellowtail muck. It will be on offer for €8 soon enough. So nothing to do with MUP

    They also normally charge €14 for an 8 pack of hop house. the 12.50 special offer was for Christmas. At 4.1% they could still sell it at 12.90, but their normal price is €14 and it is back to that price. Nothing to do with MUP

    I thought the G&T cans were €2.50 each or close to that.

    as for dail bar (christ, do eejits still use that old chestnut), the #1 drink sold there is coffee, the #2 is tea, Diest coke outsells guinness and it is NOT subsidised and rent is paid. They don't have to pay doormen and don't need to apply for late licences so prices are rural kildare rather than city centre Dublin and the biggest customers are general visitors to the dail. (btw pint guinness is €4.80)


    Hope no-one is going to sainbury's this weekend. They will be very very disappointed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,096 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    You've evidently a really tenuous grasp of the cost of living and emigration buddy.


    And you also have a incredibly bizarre understanding of how every little increase takes away from someone's spending power. Be it rent, electricity, inflation, food and idiotic government policy.


    And the old sure everywhere is expensive. Won't win out. The less attractive you make a country through reaching into people's pockets all of the time the higher chance you have of emigration and lower immigration.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,096 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Then you'd have no problem closing it. Open a coffee shop in its place. Nice barrista machine.


    Whats good for the goose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭dubrov


    In fairness, if it was fair rent things like not having to apply for late licences or having doormen would be factored into it. It's not as though their clients are short a few bob either.

    Basically the pub is getting reduced rent in return for serving cheaper pints. I'd say the prices they are allowed charge is listed in the tenancy agreement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    No the Christmas price was €10, so go back to your meeting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭Phil.x




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    You are missing the point though, It doesn't really matter that some drinks didn't go up, or some only went up 20cents etc.. MUP itself is worth arguing against, on every level.

    For what it stands for, for who benefits from it the most (despite politicians trying to convince us that we do, we don't.), for how it is applied, and for many more reasons without going into the actual price of alcohol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,765 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Got the ESB bill today. Holy suffering Jasus.

    We will be eating gruel and drinking pond water soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    ⬆️⬆️I don't want to know, I've only 8 beers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,281 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    ESB and gruel and pond water.

    You lucky sods.

    Over here on the other side of Misery Mountain we are down to our last candle and existing on a diet of small stones and grass washed down with the wringings of a damp cat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Not every month, I don't have to buy car and health insurance more than once a year thankfully. Household expenses typically run between €4k and €5k per month (if something breaks and in a busy household there is always something needing repair). This isn't on extravagances either - most goes on rent and childcare.



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  • Posts: 15,777 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So can's of choice now? I'd normally buy the 8 pack of Aldi's finest cheap stuff Kortenhoef and we'd have those between us once a week. Got Heineken the other night as it's now not much more expensive. I haven't had it from a can in years but I was sorry I didn't buy the Aldi stuff. There's still 5 can's of Heineken left. It's absolute piss from a can and the texture of the can ffs?????? She poured her's like a lady while I supped mine from the can and dropped the **** thing, slipped right out of my hand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,346 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I agree because we have drinking problems in Ireland.

    Just curious- who pays rent to who for the Dail bar?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    I got into a bad habit of drinking them filthy, cheap Galahad way more than I should. I was seriously considering knocking it on the head before the increase in price… so hopefully with the help of a little willpower this will be a good thing for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it's fantastic to see that people will go up north or take other alternatives to get around this indirect publican subsidy that isn't a health measure but is being sold as one.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Posts: 124 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I did not know factcheck could see into the future! They have a verdict that there is no evidence for something that could happen in the future. What a service they provide the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    You can get similar priced pints in the locality.

    The media love to compare it to prices in temple bar. Why not compare it to hartigans on leeson street.

    Oh yeah, it will show that the same price is charged.


    Whoops



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭dubrov


    Hartigan's is a bit of a dive and one of the cheapest bars in the whole of Dublin 2.

    Even then it is still more expensive than the Dail bar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,058 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Yeah that was a fairly infuriating read for something called "Fact Check"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,346 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I agree because we have drinking problems in Ireland.

    "Is there evidence that alcohol users turn to drugs as a result of the policy?"


    Verdict

    It was claimed this week that the introduction of Minimum Unit Pricing in Ireland would lead to an increased reliance among drinkers on “other unsafe substances”.

    However, there is no evidence to support this claim.

    Available research does not point to a link between Minimum Unit Pricing and an increase in drug use, while three experts in the field who spoke to The Journal also played down the claim.

    This does not necessarily mean that this will not happen in Ireland following the introduction of the policy here. As one expert told us, just because it didn’t happen in other countries doesn’t mean that it won’t happen in Ireland. But there is currently no evidence to suggest that it definitely will. 

    We therefore rate the claim: UNPROVEN.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,214 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    There is a thread in Bargain Alerts with good deals on drink which people have seen in the shops.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058138611/booze-deals-megathread-2/p140



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