What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

It really was. It was like 9/11. I remember watching the news before going to work on afternoon shift in previous job. Plane 1 had hit. Phoned my mam telling her to turn on the news. Was a terrible accident. Went in to the shower, when I came out, plane 2 had hit. On the way into work met a mate and he was listening in on his phone about the Pentagon. I remember saying "Ah, they are freaking out now. A large bird hitting a window will be seen as an attack". Of course then we arrived at work and got the confirmation.

For this I was watching on CNN and switching to BBC. From one news station to another. Was Whatsapping my team of workmates (Some based in the US) "Are you WATCHING this? Holy Crap!" (Followed by "WTF is a thick Kerry bogger doing reporting for CNN?").

There's a reason his klan have stopped trying to justify trump and his terrorists on this forum.... There IS no justification. Many MANY of us watched it unedited, LIVE on TV. Without fox "news" spin. Watched his speech before. Watched his statement during. There is no revisionist reassessing. We watched and wondered "Where the hell are the soldiers? Where is the backup for the police? This is going to go pear-shaped.... Annnnnnnnnnddddd there is goes"

I know it sounds overly-dramatic but that day was the day we all knew that American democracy was f*cked forever. And we knew that those images were going to be the DEFINING image of trumps presidency.... And deservedly so. It SHOULD be the defining image of the Republican Party because while they don't condemn him, they condone him. When they don't condemn him, they say to the world: "He speaks for us. Everything he says is the official opinion of the Republican Party"

Edit: Fixed typo

Cal Thomas was on the last word, spouting what I can only describe as a disgusting attempt at a defence of the mob's behaviour.

Revolting.

Cooper isn't able to deal with the volume of BS spouted each time and so most goes unchallenged.

Not from what I heard.

I swear to god, there is zero point in having a "both sides" debate if one is spouting pure bullsh1t and it goes unchecked.

The speech may well go down as the defining moment of his presidency IMO.

“Here’s the truth: a former president of the United States of America has created and spread a web of lies about the 2020 election. He’s done so because he values power over principle.”

“I did not seek this fight, brought to this Capitol … But I will not shrink from it either. I will stand in this breach, I will defend this nation. I will allow no one to place a dagger at the throat of this democracy.”

That said, the most powerful remark was in the moments after his speech in response to a question from the press.

“The way you have to heal, you have to recognise the extent of the wound,”

Hopefully the Dem's will now stop pussyfooting around the issue of how to handle the QOP and be aggressive in holding all who gave support to Trump to account.

But why keep retreating? Why pussyfoot around the issue? Always the same "ooh, mustn't rock the boat" while the republicans are screaming about this with a crimson face?

Fcuk that sh*t, the Dems are gonna have to come at this arms swinging. Why do the democrats always have to hold back while the republicans are literally preparing for armed combat?

It is 100% clear the reps have the singular aim to seize power by any means and at any cost

And they must be stopped by all and any means necessary. This is the precursor to civil war and whining, kowtowing and always retreating is not going to work.

My personal opinion, I wouldn't have seen it as a tragedy had Trump ended up like Mussolini. Being tolerant of intolerance is an absolute no-go. If you want to preserve a democracy, you must go after it's enemies without any hesitation. They will always scream blue murder, if you're hesitant or not. So don't be hesitant.

Creatures like Alex Jones make hay (And a LOT of money) from everything. They make hay from murdered children! And their listeners will hoover up any kind of disgusting lies they Peddle-For-Profit. No matter how insane or hurtful to innocents they are (As a matter of fact,, that's not true. Jones and the likes THRIVE on the misery of innocents like some sort of disgusting GOP vampire). We have had posters on THIS site claim that Jones is a hero!

So ANYTHING Biden says or does will be pounced upon by these creatures and their klans. So it's time to go on the offensive. Each and every election/presidential-based comment from trump and his klan is categorically, conclusively proven to be lies with verifiable,, demonstrable, accepted (Even by members of their own party) evidence. Biden's speech simply stated this as a fact. It's time to stop humouring these people. It's time to combat lies with facts. It's time to call a spade a spade. When someone is lying, you call them a Liar. When someone with immense power lies to a group of angry people, stating that they have been lied to and cheated and their vote stolen and that they have to "fight like hell" to stop being cheated. When they do that KNOWING that they are lies then you call them a Traitor to their nation. When someone attempts to halt a president being officially voted in then you call them an Insurrectionist or a Terrorist.

Unfortunately there is NO reduction of temperature in the USA political atmosphere at the moment because trump and the GOP are, plainly and simply, lying to, and cheating and stealing from, the American people. As I said before, while the GOP does not denounce him and everything he stands for and says, he speaks for his party and EVERY comment he makes is official GOP policy.

I know what you are saying and, you are right, this may lead to an escalation. But there is a time to stand.

In short:

• trump is a Traitor to America
• His terrorists are Traitors to America
• EVERY member of his party who doesn't condemn him is a Traitor to America
• EVERY American person who accepts what happened on Jan 6 is a Traitor to America

These traitors (100%) are the only ones speaking so far. They have the platform with fox and those jesus channels. They have the hatred. They have the threats of violence. And if you only hear the voice of traitors then all is lost there.

I do wonder about the people working in this place, you either knew it was all bull and was just a bit of nonsense or you thought it was legit and after working on it for months realised that it was all just conspiracy theory and you fell for it. It was never going to turn up anything and anyone who genuinely thought it would is a moron.

This is an excellent thread - I've unrolled it here but the original is on twitter - https://twitter.com/AndyKimNJ/status/1478725085359972353

Some on here seem to have forgotten too, or are all of these Republicans RINOs?

"Remember what Republican leaders said before amnesia set in. I took notes that night:

Mitch McConnell (Jan6): "The mob was fed lies. They were provoked by the president and other powerful people...They tried to disrupt our democracy, they failed…This failed insurrection.” THREAD 

Kevin McCarthy (Jan 6): The violence, destruction, and chaos we saw earlier was unacceptable undemocratic and unamerican. It was the saddest day I’ve ever had as serving as a member of this institution…We saw the worst of America this afternoon…” 

Kevin McCarthy on Jan 13: “last week’s violent attack on the Capitol was undemocratic, un-American and criminal…those who are responsible for Wednesday’s chaos will be brought to justice…The President bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on Congress by mob rioters.” 

VP Pence on Jan 6: “Today was a dark day in the history of the United States capitol…We condemn the violence that took place here in the strongest possible terms…To those who wreaked havoc today, you did not win.” 

Rep Steve Scalise on Jan 6: “Once you start taking violent actions against law enforcement you’re not a protestor anymore, you are an anarchist. Whether it’s anarchy or terrorism, they were trying to storm the Capitol and stop our democracy from working.” 

Rep Stefanik (R) on Jan 6: “This has been a truly tragic day for America, and we all join together in fully condemning the dangerous violence and destruction…violence in any form is absolutely unacceptable, anti-American, and must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.” 

Mike Gallagher (R) on Jan 6: “Mr. President. You have got to stop this. You are the only person who can call this off. Call it off. The election is over. Call it off. This is bigger than you. It is bigger than any member of Congress. It is about the United States of America” 

Senator Lindsey Graham on Jan 7: “When it comes to accountability the president needs to understand that his actions were the problem not the solution” 

Senator Rand Paul on Jan 6: “Chaos, anarchy. The violence today was wrong and un-American” 

Rep Chip Roy (R) on Jan 6: “Today the people’s house was attacked, which is an attack on the republic itself…People need to go to jail… and the president should never have spun up certain Americans to believe something that simply cannot be.” 

Senator Thune (R) on Jan 6: “I hope that the types of people who stormed the Capitol today got a clear message that they will not stop our democracy from moving forward…We need to get our work done and this kind of thuggery would not keep us from doing the people’s work” 

Rep Dan Crenshaw (R) on Jan 7: “On Wednesday the Capitol of the most powerful nation the world has ever known was stormed by an angry mob. Americans surely never thought they’d see such a scene…It was a display not of patriotism but of frenzy and anarchy.“ 

Senator Ben Sasse (R) on Jan 6: “This building has been desecrated, blood has been spilled in the hallways…what happened today isn’t what America is…There are some who are trying to burn it all down, and we met some of them today.” 

Senator Rob Portman (R) on Jan 6: “I condemn the violent and criminal acts that took place at the US Capitol today. These shameful actions to disrupt a session of Congress and vandalize the Capitol building should never happen in our great republic” 

Senator Barrasso (R) on Jan 6: “The violence and destruction have no place in our republic.” 

Senator Roy Blunt (R) on Jan 6: “The events unfolding at the Capitol are shameful. There is no justification for violence and destruction. It has to stop now. This is not who we are as a nation. Thank you to the Capitol Police who are keeping us safe.” 

Senator Blackburn (R) on Jan 6: “These actions at the US Capitol by protestors are truly despicable and unacceptable. While I am safe and sheltering in place, these protests are prohibiting us from doing our constitutional duty. I condemn them in the strongest possible terms.” 

Senator Cynthia Lummis (R) on Jan 6: “Call it what it is: An attack on the Capitol is an attack on democracy” 

Senator Rick Scott (R) on Jan 6: “No one has a right to commit violence. What happened today at the Capitol is disgraceful and un-American. It is not what our country stands for.” 

Rep Cathy Rodgers (R) on Jan 6: “What we have seen today is unlawful and unacceptable…I have decided I will vote to uphold the Electoral College results and I encourage Donald Trump to condemn and put an end to this madness.” 

Senator Rubio on Jan 6: “There is nothing patriotic about what is occurring on Capitol Hill. This is 3rd world style anti-American anarchy” 

Senator Rick Scott (R) on Jan 6: “No one has a right to commit violence. What happened today at the Capitol is disgraceful and in-American. It is not what this country stands for” 

Senator McConnell: “Former President Trump’s actions preceding the riot were a disgraceful, disgraceful dereliction of duty. There’s no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day.” 

These posters can attach the MSM, democrats and people on here. What say they in relation to the vast number of established republicans above?

Exactly.

Jan 6th 2021 should have been the turning point for the Republicans and Donald Trump. It should have been the day that they parted company with him forever and consigned him back to the swamp he came from. But as we've seen, their comments then and their comments now are of a different shade.

Duplicitous snakes.

This is an enjoyable segment, particularly at the end when the random reverend compares the burning of the Fox Christmas tree to Pearl Harbour. Hope none of the snowflakes here that were so outraged at the VP comparing the Jan 6 insurrection to Pearl Harbour see this, it might send them over the edge.

I do think it is telling that he cancelled the plan press event on the 6th. Apart from the supposed lack of media interest, I think it signals that even Trump knows that the 6th is not something that is going to play well to anyone outside his very core base. He should be, as many GOPer are, looking to draw a line under it and put it as history.

Holding a press conference on the anniversary was only going to draw the attention about those events directly back onto him.

I would wager that when they looked for questions from the press, that almost all of them related to his responsibility for the events of the day and whether he denounces those that took part.

I'd love to know what pushed Ted to do the 180 on Trump. It could just be him sensing which way the wind was blowing but I'd really like to know if there's more to it. I expect we won't get anything close to the truth as long as both men are still in play.