The Book Of Boba Fett - Disney+ (Spoilers)

Tony EH · 01-01-2022 2:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118399928#Comment_118399928

Well Bo-Katan offers something for the Mandalorian to mull over in that she is a Mandalorian, but one who has a different code to the one that Din has been brought up with. Fett, IIRC, isn't actually a Mandalorian. He and dear old dad just wear the armour.

The thing is though, while Bo-Katan has a part to play in how Din views things (mainly she's there to tell him that taking his helmet off is OK 😄 ) Boba Fett never appearing on the show would have meant nothing at all, even if his final appearance resulted in some delightfully angry fighting.

Penn · 01-01-2022 2:56pm

Without Boba, Fennec Shand would have died. Then Fennec and Boba wouldn't have been able to help Mando on the planet where Grogu was trying to reach the Jedi when he was kidnapped by the Empire. Mando also would have been stuck there as they destroyed his ship.

Now, that's not to say they couldn't have used a different character other than Boba, but why not bring back Boba?

The way I see it, Boba Fett is an extremely popular character in Star Wars history. But it's largely undeserved imo. His character does f*ck all in the films other than track the Millenium Falcon to Cloud City. He doesn't capture them, Vader does. He just transports Han to Jabba, and in Jedi, gets taken out accidentally by a blinded Han and eaten. He was only ever popular because of his unique look and his toys. His popularity alone is what The Mandalorian was based off to begin with.

So The Mandalorian and now his own show are a good way of actually giving him a story. To see who he is and see why he was a feared bounty hunter. People are asking what the point of this show is, but I'd argue that we simply may not have seen it yet. There may be larger consequences to come out of it, or it just may be planned as a character piece for one of the most popular SW characters and give them their dues.

As a first episode it was a slow burn, but what we've seen of Boba in The Mandalorian and now this first episode have made him a far more interesting character than the movies ever did. I'm interested in the toll his history has taken on his body. I'm interested in his reasons for wanting to take over from Jabba. I'm interested in Fennec and her background, and their relationship with each other, one of respect.

pixelburp · 01-01-2022 3:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118400498#Comment_118400498

Oh for sure and I accept that we may eventually get a purpose for the show; I'm just not sure how much time I'd spend waiting mind you. It's symptomatic of where TV is now h and the brand of Star Wars - that this loose structure is possible or tried. Could you imagine a network TV show airing a pilot this devoid of some kind of ongoing plot or direction?

01-01-2022 3:41pm

I enjoyed Mando but the lead guy in this is just too old. When you've just watched an ep of the expanse, this doesn't hold up very well in comparison. One less show to watch, at any rate.

01-01-2022 6:22pm

Loafing Oaf · 01-01-2022 8:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118399871#Comment_118399871

This is the essence of Favreau's version

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118400498#Comment_118400498

Without Boba, Fennec Shand would have died. Then Fennec and Boba wouldn't have been able to help Mando on the planet where Grogu was trying to reach the Jedi when he was kidnapped by the Empire. Mando also would have been stuck there as they destroyed his ship.

Now, that's not to say they couldn't have used a different character other than Boba, but why not bring back Boba?

Agree it seems a fairly random, whimsical reason for resurrecting such an iconic character, but I don't get the impression there are more cynical, commercial reasons behind the move.

Tony EH · 01-01-2022 9:43pm

Just because Fett is the character that saves Fennick and turns up later on to have a scrap doesn't mean that he's advanced the plot of 'The Mandalorian'. Joe Bloggs could have saved Fennick and it wouldn't have mattered. In fact, she could have died and it wouldn't have mattered. You could literally write out both Shand and Fett completely and the plot of 'The Mandalorian' would remain intact.

Fett (and Shand for that matter) is completely superfluous to the plot.

But, of course, you're correct in that his entire resurrection is based purely on cynical, commercial reasons.

Penn · 01-01-2022 10:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118402832#Comment_118402832

The alien Mando captures in the very first scene of the first episode is in Season 2, helping Mando, Gina Carano and Carl Weathers (I can't remember their character names) break into an Empire facility. He could have been a different character, he didn't have to be the same alien from a previous episode. His inclusion was superfluous to the plot. Bill Burr's role in the later episode could also have been a different character.

There's nothing wrong with using recognisable characters in support roles, to avoid having to repeatedly set up too much backstory or history. But yes, like I said, this is them using these chances to create a show for Boba Fett due to his popularity as a SW character.

EltonJohn69 · 02-01-2022 11:44pm

Am I the only one who thought that was 5/5 ???

Need a Username · 03-01-2022 12:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118408377#Comment_118408377

No the episode gets 5/5 from me. There are many others too I’m sure.

However, it is an internet discussion forum and the topic is Star Wars to the negative nellies are going to be ones posting the most.

Something really I like about the Disney+ shows is the amount of aliens being used for more than just display or to population the pubs.

in this episode Feet and Shand are the only humans in speaking roles (if you count Shand as human) - every other speaking role was alien a mostly Twi’lek but at at least alien.

pixelburp · 03-01-2022 8:14am

People are allowed their opinions: positive, negative or some mix of the two. That it's Star Wars doesn't mean it's exempt from the same kind of feedback a "normal" show might get - or automatically lauded either. If a viewer loved the episode, then cool. If they didn't, also cool. But everyone should feel their opinion is valid and respected, even while being challenged on it in the spirit of debate (and the charter lol). Don't think it's fair to assume there's a lurking cadre of "haters" either; I found episode 1 a flat, lifeless watch but if others found entertainment, as said. Cool.

Need a Username · 04-01-2022 10:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118409183#Comment_118409183

I never said a Star Wars project was exempt from anything - feedback, criticism, etc. - nor did I say it should be be automatically praised.

please read more carefully.

I said it is a discussion forum and the topic is Star Wars - this does bring out the negative nellies who go overboard - I never mentioned lurking or a cadre of haters. There are those - not just for Star Wars, but for lots of things. You be mad to deny there is. However I never said they were here on this forum.

I just said negative nellies.

and I never said people didn’t have a right to criticise the show nor that there was anything wrong with people not liking it.

I asked one guy, who said he watch Star Wars even though he didn’t like it at all, why he did so and how he had the time to it. He got annoyed about me asking, you asked us to stop and that was it.

At no point did I protest against people posting their opinions

I don’t like that you putting words in my mouth (or whatever the equivalent is here).

Tony EH · 04-01-2022 1:52pm

@Need a Username I asked one guy, who said he watch Star Wars even though he didn’t like it at all, why he did so and how he had the time to it. He got annoyed about me asking, you asked us to stop and that was it.

Maybe it's you who needs to read more carefully there Mr. Superfan.

What I said was "Personally, I couldn't give a toss about Boba Fett or most of Star Wars, to be honest, as it's largely rubbish." That's not even close to how you're trying to frame it.

If you're going to get your knickers in a twist because some people on a discussion forum aren't as enthusiastic as you are about an episode of TV, you'd probably do well to avoid such websites.

pixelburp · 04-01-2022 3:02pm

Ah lads. Will ye stop.

blade1 · 04-01-2022 3:23pm

😁

Tony EH · 04-01-2022 3:53pm

LOL

Bored Wars more like.

Hego Damask · 04-01-2022 9:15pm

Great start, seeing Jabbas palace and his escape from the Sarlacc pit had me really excited!

2nd half not as great, thought the four armed monster was silly, just an excuse to add a new type of creature ... would have been better if it were a smaller version of a rancor ... just for the nostalgia of ROTJ of course.

Oh yeah, unrelated but I can't wait for the Kenobi series!!

Slydice · 05-01-2022 1:09pm

2: Started out feeling like the first episode but definitely improved towards the end.

So, now he's Boba Fett

of the clan McTusken! 🙂

Felt like an episode in 3 parts

1st the continuation of the feel of the first episode .. though credit for the Hutts.. I was like 'oh, maybe they were saving money to do the computer work to show the Hutts.

2nd Train Job. I thought this was alright, was kinda rootin for the warrior Tusken who went into the train, got a lol out of the psycho train driver droid 😁

3rd Dream journey and joining the ranks of the Tuskens. Getting an exploration of the Tuskens sounds good. Nods to Dune all over the place 😁 I burst out laughing with the lizard jumping into his head 😂 The dream itself and later the crafting of the weapon felt meaningful in itself.

I assume then for the future

It's gonna be himself and the Tuskens who do a takeover on Tatooine.. though saying that, he might have built up some of his valued "Respect" in helping the moisture farmers out in that tavern so they might be part of it too. So in these future scenes, he might well have a lot of allies that just haven't been shown yet.

Relikk · 05-01-2022 1:11pm

50 minute episode! And it was awesome.

CastorTroy · 05-01-2022 2:15pm

Dances with Tuskens.

Was trying to tell but from the look of it the Super Tusken is female?

Considering the language barrier, how did Boba and the Tuskens discuss the plan for controlling the sands and tolls?

Boba just doesn't come across as very threatening in the present and it seems others have noticed.

Hego Damask · 05-01-2022 2:39pm

Now that was more like it!

Great episode .... nice to see Hutts in it too !!

Hego Damask · 05-01-2022 2:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118421038#Comment_118421038

Why do you care ?

Is it to score diversity points ??

I think male/female in Tuskens is about as relevant as discussing the sex of a rancor...

seraphimvc · 05-01-2022 2:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118400498#Comment_118400498

Yes, fully agreed with your paragraph 3+4 - exactly the reasons they decided to do this boba show (prob was actually an idea for spin-off movie ha). It is funny that the character has less than 5mins screentime in total became so popular and beloved by many fans for decades - and ye i do like his ship Slave I. As a Lego fan myself, my biggest gripe is that there is no chance they will rerelease a jabba palace set with slave leia :'(

For tying in with Mando, aye, i don't think it was that critical to have Boba+Fennec there but it is a nice addition to the show (good fan service). Indeed it has always been clear to me that Boba is just wearing the armor because it is the best armor out there, he has nothing to do with actual mandalorian.

I watched the fans project restoring the theatre version of ANH during holidays (called 4k77), it was so good, such a classic, highly recommend this. I can't wait for the ESB 4k80 - it is my favourite of the original trilogy.

So ya this pilot Episode1 brings back alot of nostalgia from good old ESB and ROJ, indeed like some other boardsie mentioned there are some issues with this episode - I thought it is reasonably enjoyable, especially for casual/new viewers, things do look and feel tacky in this episode ha.

It does feel less depth than Mando - immediately this makes sense when I see this is helmed by Jon Favreau when credit rolls? I'll give him some benefits of doubt.

I think Jon Favreau and David Filoni are doing god's work for Disney, my go-to "SW boy" is definitely David Filoni - I believe the man could bring the franchise back to the right track (he has been doing all these hardwork since Clone Wars cartoon albeit I dont watch them much except the recent Bad Batch which is so good). Watching David Filoni interviews talking on SW truly makes me admire him (while people like JJAbram, RJohnson, KK can go to hell).

Penn · 05-01-2022 2:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118421172#Comment_118421172

I dunno. We're definitely getting hints at a close connection specifically between Boba and that Tuskan, and Boba has now become a full member of the Tuskan tribe. We know at some point that something causes him to leave the Tuskans.

If it's a female Tuskan, it's not out of the realms of possibility that he might become involved with her in some type of relationship given that they're all just different types of space aliens/races. It's not about diversity (Ming-Na Wen has taken care of the badass female quota for the entire show on her own), but it could end up being a strong motive for whatever caused Boba to leave the Tuskans.

Of course, given how Boba values respect, it's probably equally likely that that Tuskan is simply someone he hugely respects as a mentor/friend.

A strong episode all the same. Maybe a bit too much time spent on the past compared to the present, they probably could have cut down on the planning/training for the train attack. The Hutts coming into it as antagonists is a great move as is the Wookie Bounty Hunter, but I think the present is suffering at the expense of the past at this point.

Basically, needs more Ming-Na Wen.

CastorTroy · 05-01-2022 3:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118421172#Comment_118421172

As Penn said, just seems to be a relationship possible between them or could just be friendship.

Besides the younger ones must come from somewhere. I doubt they're all outsiders that were taken in.

pjcb · 05-01-2022 5:43pm

wouldn't it be easier to teach them how to duck and take cover

Penn · 05-01-2022 5:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118422347#Comment_118422347

It's about power and survival. Rather than hiding and digging in the desert for those water things, he helped them take down the train for their water supply, and also as a show of strength. He mentioned they'd have to negotiate a toll for passing through from now on, so it's likely they'll have to provide water/food to the Tuskans to pass through the area, otherwise the Tuskans will take down their trains again.

GSPfan · 05-01-2022 8:48pm

I could do with less flashbacks from here on out. In fact I’d be happy if they done away with them now all together. We have filled in the blanks from Return of the Jedi right up to The Mandalorian so I’m good.

Need a Username · 05-01-2022 8:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118415572#Comment_118415572

Again in ever said people couldn’t criticise or that everyone had to live it.

I asked you a question based on what what posted. I didn’t frame anything.

The reason it was brought up again was that pixelburp said I said I was open to star ears being criticsed - which is incorrect.

At no point did I get my knickers in a twist. You were three person getting upset.

Need a Username · 05-01-2022 9:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118420662#Comment_118420662

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118420649#Comment_118420649

No I don’t think that is how his life with the Tusken is going to turn out.

He seems to be becoming quite satisfied with life with the clan. The train job was to protect them.

I think how Fett deals with gangsters is going to blow up in his face and the tribe will suffer or come very close to suffering leading Fett to take the throne.

Need a Username · 05-01-2022 9:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118418263#Comment_118418263

Then you get twice as many people calling it unimaginative and fan service to use a rancor :p

Need a Username · 05-01-2022 9:07pm

Loved episode two.

Really glad the mayor is a Hammerhead and not a Twi’lek.

And it is fun that he doesn’t consider Fett a threat of any kind.

Looking forward to more of him and more of the twins and their Wookiee gladiator.

I don’t often spot the Easter Eggs or cameos but I knew that was Camie straight away. Wasn’t sure about the guy - thought it was Windy not Fixer.

was the place Tocshe Staion?

The attack on the train was fantastic stuff

Between the Tusken culture, the bar fight, the stand off in the street and the attack on the train

this is the most like a western Star Wars has ever been.

Relikk · 05-01-2022 9:13pm

Seeing as it was Camie and Fixer it's 100% Tosche Station.

fAn sErViCe!

Need a Username · 05-01-2022 9:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118423195#Comment_118423195

They haven’t filled in the blanks.

Fett emerged from the Sarlacc while the barge was still burning meaning it was probabky only hours.

Fett’s time with the Tuskens so far is most likely only moths of even that long.

Mandolarian season two is still years off at this point and it is obvious that living with this tribe leads Fett to take Jabba’s throne. Plus they are showing us what kind of a person Fett is.

I think life with the tribe will be told up until the season finale.

What is it about the flashbacks that you don’t like?

Need a Username · 05-01-2022 9:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118423326#Comment_118423326

What I meant was is it Tocshe staion or is it Anchorhead? I’m fairly certain Tocshe Station wasn’t in Anchorhead but in the delayed scenes it looks like a garage of sorts - this was a pub.

was it fan service? Fan service is giving fans want they want - I don’t know if anyone thinks about these deleted characters.

Anyway the scene requires some innocent bullied locals - no reason it can’t can’t be Camie and Fixer.

Tony EH · 05-01-2022 9:37pm

An improvement over Ep.1 for sure. Some nice nods to 'Lawrence of Arabia' and the CGI hutts didn't look half bad.

Goody two shoes Boba Fett still isn't sitting right with me though.

Need a Username · 05-01-2022 9:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118423472#Comment_118423472

He is a crime Lord and a killer so I would not call him a goody two shoes

he isn’t quick to kill people like the Gamorreans or the mayor or going to war with the twins because killing them and going to war might not be the best option - he thinks.

and he doesn’t like seeing the Tuskens suffer or get pushed around - he has decent streak

but he is still a crime Lord and a killer

Nothing on Empire or Jedi showed him as quick to kill or that he didn’t have a decent streak

ohnonotgmail · 05-01-2022 9:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118423509#Comment_118423509

he isn’t quick to kill people like the Gamorreans or the mayor or going to war with the twins because killing them and going to war might not be the best option - he thinks.

He doesn't think, he knows. Killing a Hutt brings down the wrath of all the Hutts. Kinda like killing a made man in the mafia. He isn't ready for that.

Tony EH · 05-01-2022 10:09pm

Boba Fett is a scumbag with a scumbag's "profession" who was famous for disintegrating his targets, so much so that even Vader had to tell him not to do it. He works for an even bigger scumbag in Jabba the Hutt, who fed people to a monster for entertainment, kept sex slaves and ran drugs. Even as a kid Fett was a little shit.

If Boba Fett has a "decent streak", he must have kept deep down inside.

Next up, 'The Book of Dengar', in which we see that he's actually a jolly old fat man with a wife and two kids that absolutely adore him and who gives presents to the local charity during Life Day.

BruteStock · 05-01-2022 10:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118423664#Comment_118423664

Good ol Boba Fett disintegrating people and working for a whore master. I kinda forgot why he was such a favorite amongst fans.

TheValeyard · 05-01-2022 11:27pm

I liked the opening episode. Was fun.

Need a Username · 05-01-2022 11:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118423580#Comment_118423580

I think phrased some of that badly.

I didn’t mean that he thinks it would be a bad idea to kill the Hutt twins, the mayor, etc

What I meant was he thinks about the situation first. He isn’t going to be shooting rivals for fun or killing minions for making mistakes.

I like the Hutts are portrayed as being clever too. Probably weren’t prepared for Fett to stand up to them. Smart enough to think it through as well.

What Shand said was intriguing - if Fett is going to take on the twins he is going to need permission. I wonder from who? Hutt leadership or does there need to be a meeting of crime cartels where he’d have to make a case for going after them.

Need a Username · 05-01-2022 11:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118423664#Comment_118423664

What is the scum bag profession?

Not all bounty hunters in Star Wars work for or are willing to work for criminals. Not do they all hunt people for money.

A bounty hunter is a gun for hire.

And young Fett is shown with a decent streak.

I don’t know where you get the notion that Fett kept anything “deep down”. He barely gets ten minutes of screen time in the OT and even then is just standing around looking cool. He shows no personality nor anything of substance. Hence why I said nothing in those films shows him as a remorseless killer or that he doesn’t have a decent streak. He is pretty much a black canvas for this show.

As Ming Na Wen said, Fett and Shand are neither good guys or bad guys. They are something else.

Any way, the Disney shareholders thank you for subscribing.

Need a Username · 05-01-2022 11:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118423828#Comment_118423828

It is never specified who or how many he disintegrated.

It may have been only one and the individual or the situation became famous. And it may not have been a person or people.

There are no prostitutes in Star Wars. Just a bit of incest.

And I think it was the action figure that trigger the cult of Boba Fett. I read something about it years ago and I think that was the conclusion.

santana75 · 06-01-2022 12:23am

Now that was really good. Cracking sequence with the train. Love the theme music at the end, very morricone-esque. Also noticed that Dean cundey is the DP, the same Dean cundey who was the DP on The Thing, Halloween, back to the future to name but a few.

Tony EH · 06-01-2022 1:18am

Any way, the Disney shareholders thank you for subscribing.

LOL 🤣

Yeah right.

Need a Username · 06-01-2022 2:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424670#Comment_118424670

Yes it is “LOL” because they don’t thank you. They are confused by you.

As much as Disney suits and shareholders love the money, they too are perplexed by people who pay for something just they can complain about it.

fritzelly · 06-01-2022 6:35am

Can someone tell if there is an actual story here and what it is because if there is I am failing to see it and it's boring me to death

Maybe its the paper thin story line that is making me notice the really bad costume design on the aliens

Need a Username · 06-01-2022 10:31am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424948#Comment_118424948

If course there is a story. Every movie and TV show has story. They might not have a story you like, or understand or that is any good but there is story.

If it bores you then why watch it.

I really don’t understand why people watch TV they don’t enjoy. If I watch part of a movie movie that I’m Not enjoying and I give up I annoyed that I lost 20/30 minutes of the day but a half hour or hour every week?

I would love to know how you folks have the time. seriously. I can’t even figure out how you guys have time to post here outside of work. I only come on this site when I’m at work.

Relikk · 06-01-2022 11:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424948#Comment_118424948

I don't get the "really bad costume design" point, it looks pretty good and faithful to me, but okay.

The story appears to be about how and why Boba decided to take over Jabba's seat of power on Tatooine and the aftermath of seizing power from Bib Fortuna. The flashbacks in the bacta tank are showing how his growing respect for the Tusken's and their way of life is changing his mind about how things are done on Tatooine and feels they have been disrespected, marginalised and misunderstood. Not just them, either. The swoop gang terrorising the moisture farmers was focused on in the first episode. Boba wants a change with how things are done. His "Jabba ruled with fear. I intend to rule with respect" line says it all, really. Whether it works, or not, remains to be seen.

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The Book Of Boba Fett - Disney+ (Spoilers)