Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

Ok who are they then?

The Same one that mixes up prescriptions?

Never miss an opportunity, Burkie....

Absolutely fair play to them and I never suggested there was anything sinister about it

But people on here claim they know who is involved, clearly not true

I can't wait for the rugby to start back up. At the very least it might put an end to the shite on here, although something tells me I'm being hopelessly optimistic.

Poor health in some areas in comparison to the clubs that win the European and domestic cups. But in the top tier of European rugby. Its only poor compared to the tip top teams. His ambition is set at the highest level and that's appropriate.

I think it's a well crafted article. He's very fair on Johann van Graan and the decent job he's done - decent but not quite the level needed to win Europe or Domestic league.

Muster had failed to win the tournaments and that should be where they set their sights. But in general they're still a top club with a few things to work on to make them even better.

As a Leinster and Ireland fan I hope munster sort out the few issues they have. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I always hope Leinster beats munster but I want munster to be excellent and leinster to be even better.

Well thaaaaat's an interesting take on it...

I was commenting on the article by Donal Lenihan and i think he outlined a few key areas where munster is weak (in the context of winning European and domestic championships.

Those included the reliance on foreign player and players frommother provinces which also covers player development. Touching on that is the poor health of the club game in Munster and administrative issues leading to the referees problem and having two parts to the province administration. He also mentioned the trouble in keeping top talent such as coaches and maybe some key players like RGS and DDA.

Did you read the article? What did you think of it?

Well, he specifically mentions the difficulties in keeping talent at player and coaching level. So losing DDA and RGS (neither conformed) along with Rassie, JVG and the other coaches he mentions who have left recently, isn't a strong position, is it?

Likewise the club game is OK, but given that munster doesn't have the youth development programme that Leinster has, they're more reliant on the club game. In reality they have had to import several key players form leinster and abroad because the club game is OK, but OK is only OK. Its fine as a club scene but as a source of youth players coming through it's not really good enough.

What do you change? I don't know. But that's fine because it's not my job to change it. The goal needs to be to identify and develop players who can play for munster at the level that will help them win things. Maybe you think that they're doing enough to achieve that goal but I think it needs to do better.

It snot my job to fix the club or schools systems or to make them produce players to help win cups. It's fine because there are people paid to do those jobs.

It's hardly a surprise to you that I hold the opinion that munster hasn't developed the talent to win cups. They haven't won a cup in a decade so it's pretty clear.

Failing to keep top talent is a problem. You might not have the aspiration to recruit and retain top talents at player and coaching levels, but I think it's an issue.

There's nothing wrong with identifying areas to strengthen. Ignoring problems rarely leads to Improvement. Can you identify any areas munster needs to improve to win trophies again?

“Failing to keep top talent is a problem. You might not have the aspiration to recruit and retain top talents at player and coaching levels, but I think it's an issue.”

To be fair, the Covid situation has likely obliterated the IRFU’s and Munster’s finances. They may not be in a position to compete financially with privately owned clubs with multi-millionaire backers. That’s hardly a massive sleight on Munster, given the unprecedented nature of the last 2 years. (*with all the caveats of private investors paying their wages).

Equally, at the time DDA and Snyman were signed, Munster were criticised in some quarters for signing them and hence blocking young players development. Now they’re being criticised for not retaining them? I dunno, it seem’s they’ll get criticism no matter what they do sometimes.