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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    They used Citywest for a mass vaccination center, testing center and isolation hotel.... not quite done nothing with it.

    Plenty of nightingale hospitals were left unused in the UK, our private capacity here left unused etc...

    Just because you invest in overflow capacity, doesn't mean you go all out to try use it to ensure the best value for the tax payers.

    How's the covid positive nurse get to work? It would mean all staff in the complex would need to be covid positive also.

    So you could end up with a lack of say porters because there's none close by who are positive, so what's you plan? Left them get infected so they can work there so the complex doesn't grind to a halt?

    Covid positive HCW's have been called up to work in various countries, but the situation was so grim at the time, it was the only option. We're pretty bloody far from that to happen here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭GoneHome


    Obviously they don't. his pub is miles away from me, above in the mid-lands, he has his own agenda, paid a fortune for it in the "good times" and trying to pay it back now so he doesn't care what he does once he gets the bobs in 😉



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Yes, and it's a telling point you make. When the carcus is bare, the vultures fight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    I think they are saying, get covid patients in one place and have them looked after by nurses who are tripled jabbed etc. It's not that everyone working there must have covid just the patients. And then move any workers with covid there also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭GoneHome


    Of course, I was talking to him a couple of days ago and said the exact same to him but sure I might as well be talking to my dog for all the difference it made, his own wife said the same, she wanted to shut down the bar for Christmas until the Covid numbers go down a bit but now this guy was having none of it.😮



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    The Citywest was supposed to be Irelands/Dublin's "Nightingale" until Boris pulled the plug and at another £17m cost ripped it down. But then Boris has a fairly decent NHS to lean on, as for our HSE!

    Now as for your questions...

    HSE nurse getting to work - by car, on their own, as most of them already do. And when they get there they work and have lunch with other nurses too! It happens already, so it shouldn't be a stretch further to comprehend this.

    Lack of porters... geez you might have me on that one. Imagine, the whole HSE Covid response falling to shreds because Pablo on the desk cannot book in a patient at 11pm.

    Only option at the time - now that sounds like forward planning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Yes, indeed. Don't look the gift horse in the mouth. 13c days following Michael Martin's inevitable latest lockdown announcements on Tues/Wed would be a welcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,398 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    I bet he knows a marathon runner with long Covid too



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Best laugh is gonehome and his GP who can guess what variant of the virus you have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    In your mind nurses only mingle with other nurses? You can't run a hospital with just nurses though. You can't treat Covid in literally a field hospital.

    You need lab's for blood, Xray's and obviously ICU's. It's not the equipment, it's the staff. If everyone was covid positive that's fine. But your hospital would rely on a constant influx of covid positive nurses/doctors/ICU specialists etc...

    Maybe when the 10 days have elapsed and the ICU nurse is expected back in her regular hospital to provide cover and there's no ICU positive nurse available, then all patients are at risk. I don;t know the ins and out's of a hospital but I wouldn't wanna visit that one!

    I don't believe the answer you're suggesting is as simple as you make it sound and we're certainly nowhere near needing it yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Wouldn't be just covid you'd be treating in Dannos covid hospital either. As you'd need to move anyone being treated of anything that also had covid. Then who would move them. The covid porter or the non covid porter ha

    Sounds messy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭Dr Fred


    Possibly the army would be what’s needed to get a grip on the situation and have people cop the ‘f’ on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Good point, need MRI/Endoscope/Physio and the endless other stuff.... unless he doesn't want to treat them for their actual illness. In which case, send them home (unless it's urgent care)

    Why not just cancel all elective care and keep hospitals to covid only and emergency care, like we had back at the start. Talk about going backwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Like you allude to above. It's a complicated situation.

    Anyone who thinks they have the solution is mad to be trying to sell it here when loads of governments around the world would love the solution. Go make the big bucks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭GoneHome


    OK thanks for clarifying, I never heard that phrase before.



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    Interesting post about the lack of a middle ground any more..

    This variant has got rid of any middle ground. It’s not going to be stopped by a few changes or tweaks here and there. I don’t think anyone on either side agreed that the latest restrictions would have any impact whatsoever, and rightly so.

    The choice again is lock down to apparently save a stretched health service (which I don’t agree with one bit, changing the close contact and 3x vaxxed isolation rules would help more IMO without setting fire to the economy), or to accept its here, it can’t be stopped and just let it take its course, whilst pushing & trusting the booster. I don’t really see any other choice in there. There’s no option really with this variant to delay, push down the line etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    Have sort of only read the news headlines over the last week on the case numbers. I’ve got the damned thing and, one bad day aside, it’s been like a mild head cold for me. Nothing I’d have given a second thought to if Covid didnt exist.


    My loose understanding was that Omicron was the dominant strain and the most transmissible strain but that it was also far less severe and very few had been hospitalised from it and hardly anyone had died from it. Is that correct? Because I had genuine hope that this was our way out of the pandemic, the virus has mutated into a strain that can replicate and move quickly and it didn’t make anyone too ill. Everyone’s a winner, happy days.


    Then I log on here and see that people are talking circuit breakers and Tony the Gloom Merchant is spouting the same stuff he’s been saying for two years. Aren’t ICU and hospital numbers the only metric that matters here? If so, why are we taking doom and **** gloom?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭GoneHome


    Yes the figures over in the UK are beyond belief and Boris Jonis seems totally obvlious to it, I've a sister and two brother in laws and numerous extended family as in nieces and nephews and indeed first cousins over there, everyone of them that I've spoken to the past few days are extremely concerned with situation over there, a few of them were planning on coming home for Christmas but cancelled.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    If someone dies within 28 days of testing positive for covid in the UK it goes down as a covid death.


    Just think about that for a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    The 7 day rate here as of Christmas Day was even worse than the UK wasn’t it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Excellent thread by a doctor in Canada! Real world data is very encouraging! Also, was driving around town earlier mallow in cork at about 8.20pm and it was an absolute **** show!! People pissed everywhere but yet I don’t blame them, you shut the pubs early and this is what you get!! A rushed night out, people necking drink!! Onto house parties then after for the vast majority




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭GoneHome


    But isn't that the whole thing Dean, if you had family or friends with any type of underlying health condition and you unintentially passed it onto them it could be fatal, that's the whole problem with this godamn virus unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Most elective care has already been cancelled under your kick the can down the road approach.

    Guess what, folk are going to die under either approach, only difference is your timing and mine.

    You'd swear that under the fundamentalist's "lock it all down" route that nobody has died. ~5,900 busts that claim for ya.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    Yeah and that’s a very good and very fair point. It’s not about how if affects me or people younger than me, it’s how it affects the vulnerable that’s important. Does this variant have the same impact on them as earlier variants? Genuine question by the way, I genuinely don’t know. Was just reading it was 80% less likely to cause serious illness or hospitalisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Or they just left full pubs at 8pm and fcuked off back to house parties either way without firing a bullet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭GoneHome


    Yes it's viscious circle, too many people out at the same time in bars and restaurants then all back to house parties, see what the numbers will be over the next few days, this s*itshow is only starting unfortunately for all of us who are playing our part



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,332 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    He makes the interesting point though of the need for the booster vaccine. Those who are unvaccinated are at risk of serious illness from Omicron. All of the talk about the variant being "mild" seemingly relates to those who have been double or treble vaccinated.



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