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Why is Dublin such a shιtty city?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,643 ✭✭✭Allinall


    How are people abiding by the rules being punished?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭cafflingwunts


    Ever get a Luas for free? Junkies do. Every time.

    Gardai ever show up 20 minutes after you called in an emergency? No, they're too busy manhandling junkies out of your local shop.

    Ever be a bit short on the bus and the driver tells you to **** off and walk in the rain because you're not a loud, hopped up crack addict who is happy to scream the bus down over missing 20c?

    Ever get arrested for defending your property from said scumbag junkies because the Gardai are afraid of aforementioned junkie scumbags doing his house next weekend instead?

    This list is not exhaustive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,643 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Never got a Luas for free. That's not being punished.

    The last emergency i had, the gardai showed up in about 5 minutes.

    Often been short of change on the bus. Most times it's been "Go ahead, you're grand". If not, I'm not being punished.

    Never been arrested for anything.

    What else is on your list?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭cafflingwunts




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,643 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Whilst living on and regularly using the red Luas line?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Did you get arrested for defending your property? And did the Gardai say they were afraid of their house getting robbed by the junkies so they didn't arrest them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,115 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Yes,that's definitely it,it's the GAA supporters from outside Dublin that make the place a kip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    Beggers are just as bad, all over Heuston station and sitting on the bridge there so you have to avoid them or get smashed by a luas, i thought begging and harassing people for money was illegal, it's funny they have enough money for smack, and then they go down to merchants quay for free food and play pool all day, and the people running the show are all ex junkies who frankly dont look like they've given up at all. What is the point of their lives, we work and pay tax so they can get binned all day and play pool. Sick of them they've turned dublin into a cess pit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    rabble rabble rabble, such a bunch of moany old c**ts on this site these days blaming "junkies" and poor people for everything and giving out about their taxes, reminds me of one of those FM104 phone shows at night with absolute dimwits calling and complaining about everything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    We are in a housing crisis. Rents are going up every year. Homeless people have the option of going to a hostel after 11pm, many people prefer to live in a tent rather than go to a hostel in the midst of a pandemic.

    Gentrification happens in every European city, Middle class people buy up all the houses in a certain area the area becomes Trendy those people tend to be snobbish or maybe not friendly to strangers that's human nature . It's common in upmarket areas in every city many people are leaving citys in the USA to buy a large house with a garden in a suburb or town . I lived in santry no one ever stopped me and asked for a euro it's a really boring place to live but it's not exactly in the midst of a crime wave.

    Dublin doesn't look great right now with many shops closed for 2 years even grafton street has a few empty shops I think the pandemic has encouraged more people to shop online I think there, ll be great changes in the retail rental market , will company's be happy to pay high rents for large offices that are 90 per cent empty



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,067 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?



    Why does that actually matter?


    Netherlands, Portugal and Greece.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    I worked in Merchants Quay , I'm a social care worker , there's no pool table, a food service is provided, soup , sandwich and tea.

    Amongst its services are primary health care (medical , dental , mental health, needle exchange etc) .

    It's not run by ex addicts , it will employ ex addicts or people in recovery if they meet the criteria for employment. They don't discriminate.

    I'm not an ex addict.



  • Posts: 667 ✭✭✭ Felipe Eager Tray


    Look at you with your facts and knowledge and everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Better than the misinformed bollix that's usually posted in these threads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    Not really Corner, i've been there too for work, and as you say they hire ex junkies and junkies in recovery, ie junkies, and they get free food and needles, yet leave all their bloody needles in the grass area opposite the primary school out the back of it. Yeah it's a lovely place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Ex junkies and junkies in recovery?

    Says it all .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    No it's not a kip and the GAA supporters are only up on match days and while they make a mess and cause a lot of litter it's cleaned up immediately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 797 ✭✭✭parc



    I was wondering about this recently after a trip to Prague and Budapest. Both really are something else. But why is Dublin was so architecturally mundane?

    Then it got me thinking about other capital cities. Lisbon, Madrid, Vienna, Edinburgh etc. All beautiful cities (although Lisbon has its social problems).

    Tbh I've been to regional cities in Europe that are way nicer than Dublin. Barcelona, Valencia, San Sebastian, Montpellier, Bordeaux etc.

    Then I thought about the spike in O'Connell street and it genuinely bummed me out.

    I thought it may be a colonial thing, but I don't think that's the case. Lots of central European countries didn't get their wealth from colonialism, but their cities have a real wow factor to them. A lot of them are poorer today than Dublin. And you could probably argue that Dublin was within a colonial empire for a long period of time.

    I think the only other capital city that is a bit meh in terms of architecture is Berlin. I'm not sure I agree with your point on Dublin going through wars though. A lot of European cities suffered in the WW2 but were restored in an amazing way (e.g. Budapest comes to mind)

    Do you or anyone else have any info on why Dublin's architecture isn't great? Lack of money as you mentioned, but was it underfunded by Britain? Brain drain of good architects maybe?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Dunmoreroader


    Ha ha, Just coz you say it don't make it so. It's a city, founded by the Vikings 75 years before Dublin, city charter from King John, 1 of 5 County boroughs I.e. cities) under the various Local Government of Ireland Acts (Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway, Waterford).

    City. Fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Nobody on this thread is denying there's problems and we all realise that the city needs to retain some of the money it sends to other areas of the country, this has been said on the thread already. The obesity problem is nationwide and worse in rural areas.

    Some people tackle the elephant in the room straight on instead of just talking about it... and volunteer at a youth level in the inner city. I can confidently say myself and three other volunteers have changed the path of hundreds of kids by our actions, the legacy of the group remains and runs, there's other groups that have done better.

    So, instead of the keyboard warfare, the wringing hands & the virtue signalling would you be prepared to improve the city in any way?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,770 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I'd be interested to see the stats that back up your claim obesity in Ireland is more common in rural areas.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,331 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I'd reckon Parc a huge part of it was it was a tiny town. For most of her history Dublin was the south side and well within the current canals. I mean the South Circular Road was started as a ring road in the 18th century and stayed that way well into the late 19th. My own mother told me of dairy farms in the area when she was a child. It was also off the beaten track of European art and architecture. Insular Irish art had peaked in the early medieval and her architecture was mostly ecclesiastical then and throughout the medieval. Or Norman defensive. Britain remember even with her much larger population and more wealth over time was an art an architecture backwater for the most part too. North and western Europe was a long way from southern Europe and the Italians as far as depth of culture in that sorta thing went. Nobody talks about the "English Renaissance" or the Swedish or Norwegian for that matter. That started to change after the Restoration in England where local born guys after initially copying continental artists and architects found wealthy clients who wanted to patronise them and in time an English art and architecture developed(it also brought Dutch influence on the back of their Dutch royalty). Even then Georgian Architecture which we see both here and in the UK was directly influenced by Italian a century or so after the fact.

    So Dublin was a backwater attached to a backwater who blossomed later on and spread some of that here with our Georgian streets(though there was also some Dutch stuff here before it now sadly gone or hidden). That Georgian stuff hit when there was a wealthy class emerging here and it basically tore down and built over much of what had been earlier timber Tudor style stuff. Again the city was so small so may as well. IIRC the same South Circular Road had one Tudor era wooden left standing until the 50's?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Lol... "wonderful".. so much sneer in one post! Do you find the GAA "self serving and ineffective" or Scouting Ireland, one of the largest youth organisations in Ireland? The thousands of soccer coaches, rugby couches that volunteer & give their time over? Do you think the capuchin centre & soup kitchens are self serving and ineffective?

    You honestly find it "hard to imagine" that without these efforts from people that things would be much worse? You need to step back from the keyboard and try and take a pulse of the nation because right now you're betraying yourself as part of a sniggering underclass that hasn't a notion what goes on.

    PM me if you want to get involved, I'll send you in the right direction.

    Post edited by John_Rambo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It's not just Dublin though. Dublin has some beautiful parts in the centre and some not so nice, but urban areas in general in Ireland aren't great if you compare to Europe. Our towns and villages are mostly ugly and depressing. That's why I never get all the Dublin hate from the rest of Ireland, it's not like our other cities are any better, just smaller with less options and worse weather.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,931 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I say that most people would agree that Cork is better than Dublin.

    There is even a book about it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    I've said this before , " the best thing to come out of Cork was Michael Collins and sure yiz shot him".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Expense, expense, expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,303 ✭✭✭Thinkingaboutit


    Formally it is a city, with a charter. It isn't really though. It is a fine spot, but unemployment is high in the southeast and in Waterford itself there seems a lot of vacant premises.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭Rustyman101


    It's actually the oldest city in Ireland, has it problems no doubt, could do with more tech,med device & pharma jobs, oh and a bit of recognition from central government that it actually exists but like it or not its recognised in Ireland as a city.



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