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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #32342
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    @robfowler78 wrote:

    Why is everybody that is against vaccination so badly treated.

    I don't see them being "badly treated". I see them being restricted in being able to go indoors because being unvaccinated places them at a higher risk of hospitalisation, critical illness and death. Thus, in order to prevent excess strain on the health system, people who are not vaccinated need to be removed from higher-risk environments. That's the core of it. You'll find plenty of people framing it as punishment or coercion. But the fact is that the restrictions exist to protect the health service.

    @Pussyhands wrote:

    This lad was out in the summer telling us case numbers had decoupled from hospitalisations and deaths and that case numbers weren't the factor when it comes to restrictions yet here he is talking about record case numbers again as if they matter.

    I'm guessing you've been living under a rock. There's a new variant, which will cause gigantic case numbers. We no idea how many of these will translate to hospital numbers. That's it. That's the whole thing. HTH.



  • #32343
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350423#Comment_118350423

    Oh I agree with you 100%, I wish we could go back to a less polarised society.



  • #32344
    seamus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350427#Comment_118350427

    Not once.



  • #32345
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Dr Holohan on Morning Ireland. Was delivering a reasonable enough message but very pessimistic & encouraging limited social contacts which is to be expected from him. But the presenter’s line of questions were basically:

    • Why are we not in lockdown?
    • When is Ireland going into lockdown?
    • When are more restrictions coming in?

    Dr Holohan reassuring the people of Ireland - ‘We are not going away for Christmas’, NPHET will be reviewing the data on a day by day basis.



  • #32346
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350443#Comment_118350443

    Where's the scientific basis for the rule of thumb coming from then? (iirc, the health recommendations on the dryness of the cough where dropped fairly early on?)

    If you're basing it just on your home experiment, you could substitute "**** out kittens" for "unproductive cough", and it would be almost as valid..



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  • #32347
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Huh. Censored words are shortened to four letters now. Iirc, old boards would have given "****ing"?



  • #32348
    robfowler78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350436#Comment_118350436

    But they are been mistreated because they are been treated differently then the vulnerable or elderly were in the beginning. We started all this by saying we couldn’t cocoon of segregate any section of society yet here we are doing exactly that. If the vaccination stopped transmission completely I could see the argument but if we can still transmit the virus even after vaccination are we not just doing the opposite to the unvaccinated then we did to the vulnerable/ elderly. They won’t protect themselves so we will enforce it we’re as we wouldn’t enforce or cocoon people in the beginning.

    I just think the messages and the ideas that started all this have changed and now we are looking for people to blame and I don’t think it’s right personally.



  • #32349
    DOCARCH
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350478#Comment_118350478

    I thought he was quite reasonable too. And when presenter used Netherlands as an example of another country locking down, Holohan satisfactorily explained the reasoning why they are in lockdown and we are not (....basically they have not rolled out booster whereas we have). Presenter was definitely goading him to say something controversial/sensational!



  • #32350
    bokale
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350443#Comment_118350443

    I guess we can't really be sure we haven't had it!



  • #32351
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350484#Comment_118350484

    Nah, the "dry cough" thing still remains, they just updated it to be "usually a dry cough, but not always". The HSE still list a "dry cough" as one of the most common symptoms. So if you have a productive cough, then by process of elimination you would rank covid lower on the list of possibilities than something else.

    I agree that it's not scientific, I never said it was. By the same token we don't send the kids into school or bring them into other people houses because we think it's "probably not covid".

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350535#Comment_118350535

    We've done enough PCR and antigen tests over the last 8 weeks that I would bet my house that we've haven't had it ... in the last 8 weeks. No idea about the year and half before that!



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  • #32352
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    467 in hospital this morning, up 31.



  • #32353
    cuttingtimber22
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    Maybe this is stupid but is it possible that there was a variant prior to the ‘original’ Covid 19 version when we locked things down in March 2020. I had a nasty virus back in November 2019 which took a long time to recover from which did have a lot of the Covid symptoms. Probably a stupid thought but wondering nonetheless.



  • #32354
    cuttingtimber22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350593#Comment_118350593

    Have the Monday discharges happened yet or perhaps there will be a big discharge tomorrow.



  • #32355
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,516 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350605#Comment_118350605

    There's been a lot of discussion about that nasty dose (chest infection?) that hit (and hit me and the OH) in November 2019 but it didn't have the loss of taste\smell or send people to hospital in larger numbers... I had gotten flu jab that year, could have been a flu variant that wasn't in the jab I suppose. It seemed to hit middle aged people hard, elderly not especially, so maybe it had a precursor in the 50s and 60s.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #32356
    Gusser09
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350478#Comment_118350478

    A fair line of questioning. Would be better if they actually scrutinized him a bit better on Omicron and if we are jumping the gun a little.

    A full lockdown is coming. We have been lubed up nicely for it. Pubs to go altogether before new years and schools to follow in short order.



  • #32357
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350614#Comment_118350614

    Looking at the last few weeks it looks more like Wednesday and Friday are where the falls are. As usual it will go up and down.



  • #32358
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350605#Comment_118350605

    It's an idea that's common alright. It was almost certainly not covid, or highly unlikely anyway. All respiratory illnesses cause similar symptoms so that's not a great indication. That bug ran through the nation from november and well into january, yet we saw no increase in the elderly hitting the hospitals or cemeteries, whereas when covid hit within a month tthat's precisely what we saw. If it were a pre original variant then we would expect to see a large percentage of the population being immune to the original that came along a few months later and we didn't. Or actually maybe we did... Between 30-40% of positive covid infections are asymptomatic, the vast majority have mild symptoms.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #32359
    cuttingtimber22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350648#Comment_118350648

    Thanks. What you said seems logical.



  • #32360
    [Deleted User]
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    Lockdown with almost everyone vaccinated, the vulnerable boosted and the hospitals not close to overwhelmed would be very depressing. Confirmation that close culture is now well established in Ireland and will be used as deemed necessary.



  • #32361
    Pussyhands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    We're definitely headed for lockdown lads. If we're closing hospitality with all the vulnerable boostered then what are case numbers gonna be like after christmas where we're all inside hugging and passing things from one another.



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  • #32362
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,205 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    I can see a complete closure of all pubs and entertainment venues for 3 months, on or before the first week of January, we will hit 10k cases before January 1st.



  • #32363
    shesty
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350548#Comment_118350548

    And you have to apply common sense when you have kids rolling from one dose to the next. Beginning to trust my instinct a little more with my lot also, and using antigen tests too.

    Now by the same token, young lad (age 3) had a "dry" cough about 8 days ago, but was coughing so much he couldn't get a sentence out. We brought him for a PCR but actually ended up bringing him to Temple St that afternoon. They waved aside any comments about waiting on PCR results, told us his chest was extremely tight, and gave him steroids and 3 doses of a nebuliser. Every child in there being treated similarly. Covid was but a blip on a faraway radar for them (thankfully).

    I'd hold them back from parties and school and that if they are unwell, but I am not running for PCR tests anymore without good reason. I bought some replacement antigens in the pharmacy yesterday with 3 year old in tow. He saw the pharmacist taking the boxes down and exclaimed in a loud alarmed voice "what is that, are those the sticks that go in your nose, I don't want one of them". Most parents of smallies that I know are easing off on PCR tests because the kids are just flat out refusing to cooperate at this point. Trying to get a stick up the nose of a 3 year old while wrestling with them to stay still so you don't hurt them is a horrible experience, and not one they are willing to repeat ad nauseum with you, just to satisfy "guidelines".



  • #32364
    shesty
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350605#Comment_118350605

    I'd say so. Something very nasty was going around that Nov/Dec/Jan, laid a lot of my colleagues low - people who would rarely, if ever, be sick or take leave - and the symptoms were extremely similar to covid.



  • #32365
    [Deleted User]
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    How sad is it that we've come to expect a full closure of the entire entertainment sector for 3 months regardless of figures. I don't think anyone will be surprised if hospitality is full closed before new year with maybe a lot more closing in Jan.



  • #32366
    bloopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bloopy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350712#Comment_118350712

    Well Leo was on morning Ireland talking about how they might be able to grant 'periods' of freedom after the omicron wave.



  • #32367
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,522 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    If most people have a bit of self-discipline there'll be no lockdown. It's the idiots who are responsible for all these lockdowns.



  • #32368
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350804#Comment_118350804

    Can you elaborate on this please? What kind of self discipline is needed to eradicate the virus or prevent lockdown?



  • #32369
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350804#Comment_118350804

    Yeah, need a shoot on sight policy ASAP. People do things to the best of their abilities. Not everyone occupies a higher place of self-flagellation like you.



  • #32370
    Tom_Crean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭Tom_Crean


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350343#Comment_118350343

    Very good and interesting post re. the cough etc.



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  • #32371
    eagle eye
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350817#Comment_118350817

    Simple stuff, heed the advice giving as regards social distancing, wearing masks and washing your hands.

    If we all do that then the virus doesn't spread wildly through society.



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