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My Bungalow Bliss

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,122 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    totally dependent on the materials used as well, if she went all pvc that will be multiples cheaper than aluclad windows etc.

    Prices have risen sharply even in the past 12 months for any kind of labour and general materials also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,741 ✭✭✭Effects


    Maybe the family you know need to take a bit of responsibility for themselves, instead of blaming other people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭iColdFusion


    I think they they do pick couples that are a bit more passive to make the show run smoother, they would have to do a lot of bleeping out if my build was 100k over budget 😄 Its risky for the couple to go too mad as RTE can edit the show however they like to make Hugh look good.

    I didn't like at the first house when the husband pulled out his box of design drawings he had done over the years, they looked good but then the show goes on to portray him as being awkward when he takes some time to consider that metal roof, as if who is he to be questioning the architects 🙄


    Nothing to do with the designers its building regs and government, heat pumps have been the norm in new builds for the last 3 years or so and especially now going forward to make an A2 BER, the days of throwing in an aul fireplace are long gone, but yeah it will be a total mess with heat pumps and electric cars during a power cut but luckily they arnt that common and a modern home is so well insulated and airtight people wont be freezing to death. Its tricky as any fossil fuel burner is more risky in a new airtight house due to carbon monoxide poisoning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭gooner99


    True, but one of these architects featured on Hugh's other show and his fine build came in just under his €200k budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,662 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I'd be the same with the potty mouth 🤣🤣🤣

    Though if what happened to the second couple happened to me I'd be talking to a solicitor (solicitor fees would be pocket change in comparison to the overall spend)

    The whole whoops a daisy that's an extra 70K ,feck that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭C. Eastwood


    Chartered Quantity Surveyors should be engaged for all Construction Projects. They are skilled in accurately calculating the total build cost of a proposed building before commencement. (Especially where Builders include ridiculous PC Sums in their estimates).

    Architects are not trained in the skill of Quantity Surveying.

    Many years ago Dermot Bannon was giving Architects a poor image when most of the Room to Improve projects were running’s€100,000 over budget, and the program were obliged to engage a Quantity Surveyor.

    Every Client has a right to know the Estimated Cost of the proposed project before commencement, and this Estimated Cost should be very similar to the Final Account.

    This is so simple and very achievable with proper Contract Documents (Complete Drawings, Specification of Works and a Bill of Quantities)

    Most Clients constructing their Home, cannot produce an extra €5k on completion.

    This is achievable for every building project with a QS + one of the following:- Registered/ Chartered Building Surveyor; or Chartered Building Engineer; or Chartered Civil Engineer; or Architect specialising in the type of proposed building AND a very competent Building Contractor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Hugh talking about compromising on the budget yet the architects don't compromise on the design.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,712 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I am at a loss as to the relevance of 'Bungalow Bliss' in the title of the programme.

    The bungalows that have featured, except no 2, so far are not Bungalow Bliss as a design from the book, and the alterations could have been better employed by raising the building and starting again.

    The architects did not follow in any way the philosophy of the BB book or designs. As for programme 2, the 70 grand mistake would be subject of a trip to the courts.

    It is obvious that the architects were given a guaranty of as much exposure as could be for their expansive wet dreams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 glarch


    Im new here. I’ve been involved in the design and construction industry and am now retired. I cat believe the amount of rubbish and jibberish being expressed here, mostly without any expertise in any skill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,160 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    It'd be great to actually have one of these shows where they push back on the architects to make them actually draft something within budget, would make this and RTI a bit more in touch with the majority of viewers



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,741 ✭✭✭Effects


    You’ll have to give us a bit more information than that. What parts do you have an issue with? What’s your own particular skill?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭farmerval


    Watched the third programme. The finished product looked good. The owners were happy. Hugh Wallace was really painful to watch, smug and snarky at the same time, big bombastic self opinionated p**k. The show was very padded out with nonsense about Architects etc.

    They are so condescending about the original bungalows. They were built for affordable costs. No-one from the current time can understand what they meant, it allowed many people actually get married and have their own home, which wasn't an option for everyone in the 60's here. Mortgages were 20 year fixed rates, and bloody hard to get, there was no three and a half times your salary crap.

    Virtually all families were single income, the basis for many that were in steady jobs was the take home pay, one third for the mortgage, one third to run the house, and one third for socialising. At the end of the sixties, or the very beginning of the seventies a small bungalow could be built for 2,000.00 pounds with a mortgage of around 2 pounds per week. But to get a mortgage for that princely sum was bloody difficult.

    To get the build completed within budget a lot of the labour might be provided by the owner. Bungalows were such a step forward in their day, allowing people get out of multi generational living, which was often not an appealing prospect. After the fifties and sixties in Ireland Bungalows springing up around the country was a real spring forward and the first sign of prosperity in a country that was only emerging from economically devastating times.

    To have Hugh Wallace with his big smug head look down his nose at them without ever really crediting them for the step forward that they were is quite annoying. He makes it sound like the muck savages on the west coast built these because there was no architects outside of Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,572 ✭✭✭straight


    In the 3rd show high Wallace said the front of the cottage looked like sh1t at the start. They painted the cills and doors yellow and he said it was breathtaking. Then they put the flower bed up against the front wall which is a recipe for rising damp. That cantilever will surely drop half an inch over time. They'll be leaving one sliding door closed. And the house was a poke on the edge of a cliff in Donegal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭black & white


    A family member bought a 70's bungalow about 10 years ago and is coming to the end of a substantial renovation. The existing house is now 5 bedrooms/playroom/extra bathroom, all exterior walls have had insulation fitted, extra attic insulation also fitted. A new living block has been built beside the existing house which has been insulated to the max. (new part will have A BER rating) Total renovation budget including triple glazed windows, kitchen and bathroom fittings is about 150K. Doesn't include electrics as they are a Sparks and doing that themselves, house is in north Clare. They are manging the project and getting tradesmen themselves and no "mates rates" for labour etc. They employed a local architect, not sure if the architect had won awards or not but the place is looking fabulous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    My dad & I wired the entire house in the early 90's when it was being built, well at that stage it was a structure with roof, floors and windows.

    Every night after dinner we went out and spent a few hours getting bits done, being small I was sent under the floors as despite being a bungalow, (not from the book but kind of a hybrid of different ones in it) it has suspended wooden floors with a crawl space underneath for services,wires ran down under the floor and back to the consumer unit in the basement.

    We did all the plumbing too, including the central heating, although that didn't appear until a year or two later.

    When I look back now it was the best education I could ever have had, its all still working to date.

    Back on topic, I'm disappointed with the series, it's not what I had hoped it would be, as in a sensible retrofit of an older bungalow to bring it up to or as close as possible to modern standards, the sort of thing that would be useful to normal people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,122 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    I'm not sure what people were expecting here, first off these are normal people or at least they were in the first 2 episodes I have watched. Most people end up underestimating the cost of a renovation, so clearly what they wanted to spend wasn't the maximum they could spend and when they realised what they wanted would actually cost they borrowed more or accessed funds some other way.

    What I would question, especially looking at the second episode , is if they had just spend the ending total budget on a house in the first place would they have gotten something better than what they ended up with. I think they probably would have.

    As for the reports of 150k renovations producing 5 bedroom houses , that's not for 'normal' people either, most normally people can't do their own electrics or project manage direct labour. And I'm sure the quality of materials and finishes reflects the budget , which is fine, but you can't really compare one refurb to another without having all the details.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭gooner99


    It's been mentioned a few times about some things being dramatised for TV. Here is a little bit of evidence of it.

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They can always have the same families back for "How to be good with money"

    Edit. @Cyrus sorry didn't mean to quote you there and for some reason can't delete the quoted part of my post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,815 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    To have Hugh Wallace with his big smug head look down his nose at them without ever really crediting them for the step forward that they were is quite annoying. He makes it sound like the muck savages on the west coast built these because there was no architects outside of Dublin.

    Lol thats a great description. Im also thinking that that given Wallace is 65 now he would have been just starting his architect career back in the late 70's as Jack Fitzsimons was publishing his Bungalow Bliss books and releasing updated and improved versions. So one can only imagine that architects back then were not too happy about one of their own publishing an easy to read manual complete with plans and instructions on how to build your own house without the use of an architect to draw up the plans.

    There was probably an element of snobbishness among architects that transcends to this day, you can certainly see it in Wallace. He doesnt seem to realise that for many families in 70s/80s Ireland Fitzsimons gave them a way to have their own house on a budget which was life changing for many people of that era. But Wallace just sneers at it in a 'I could have done it better' kind of way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 glarch


    I was an architect, qualified from Bolton Street in 1976. I do have an issue with the commentary on the toddler in the first episode, particularly comments about his name. He is my grandson and that’s the reason I’m unhappy, commentary like that is uncalled for and those type of comments should be removed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Would you care to elaborate on this jibberish being expressed here so you might educate us mere mortal normal 4x2s or will this involve some payment or other



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 glarch


    You’ve just proved the point ‘will this involve some payment or other’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭C. Eastwood


    Monseiur. I agree with you - and as you are aware since Nov 2018 all new houses must not have wall or window vents or ventilation through a chimney shaft (natural ventilation) - and can only have mechanical ventilation (with built-in Filters that will only get changed when the system fails). The air borne noise and structure borne noise from some of these systems I’ve witnessed is unacceptable. It will also increase the ESB bill. The Government who introduced this system ( another €8,000 on to the cost of a house) is for the last 19 months advising us to have windows open to create natural purge ventilation. As Charlie H would say it’s GUBU - grotesque, unbelievable, bizarre and unprecedented



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭iColdFusion


    I thought poor Hugh was going to end up in the fetal position on the ground screaming "ITS NOT HOW PEOPLE LIVE THESE DAYS!!" when he nearly got lost in the corridor and ALL those doors of house 1 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I'd love to have seen this series take an updated approach to the Bungalow Bliss philosophy, focused on building affordable modern homes using commonly available materials and sizes, designed by the architect to be simply built in a way where the homebuilder could do large amounts of the work themselves. Sure, you legally need qualified trades for certain jobs now but there's still a huge amount of work you can do yourself and I'd be convinced that with clever design you could still probably achieve a warm, comfortable 3 bed family home for 200k or so. Whether it's possible to get it to A2 for that money is probably another question (but whether A2 is actually worth pursuing is a matter I'm still not sold on).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    Why not do a program where you get 4 or 5 architects and a few QS to build a house each and see who comes up with cheapest house to build ,the best BER rated house and the best value house.

    Simple idea really, but I suppose with RTE's go to architects the would never lower their standards with something like that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    It's an easy show to make. Everyone wins except the actual people stumping up the cash.

    RTE - gets good ratings because it's property porn.

    Architects - Get publicity and have a "Designed a superhome on My Bungalow Bliss" on their bio/marketing material

    Architects do not care about budget. Architects only care about budget if the client isn't going to go through with the project.

    Like, what was the point of the outdoor shower in the last episode?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,662 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    You could see the kids coming back from surfing.....it's a handy way of washing all the salt off your wetsuit and board......I don't think it's there for your daily shower 😅

    I can really see that bungalow being listed on Airbnb next summer!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,351 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    live beside the sea. outside shower is a great job



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭C. Eastwood


    MBE220d. This could also include Dwellinghouses designed by experienced - Registered/Chartered Building Surveyors, Chartered Building Engineers, Chartered Civil Engineers and Chartered Architectural Technologists.



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