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The Omicron variant

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    If you are uncertain about all the variables (and you should be) just track one: numbers in hospitals. Never mind who comes into hospitals or if they have Omicron, comorbidities etc. Just that one number, the one that really counts. A lot of countries have hospital numbers going down. Start tracking that. We should see a huge rise IF Omicron infections rise fast (and they do) and say 50% less severe than Delta because of the infection numbers. Maybe someone can put up a series of graphs with Denmark and the UK as the early runners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Nobody said that, it's the usual line trotted out in response to a timed restriction.

    If people spend less time in an environment, they have less risk of catching covid.

    Your reply will be that it will cause house parties, yes it may, however, if 100 people go to the pub, the same 100 people will not all attend the same house party afterwards.

    I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with pubs having to close early, I'm just sick of people who can't understand risk over time exposure etc...

    We have the same in everyday life, ok for an 18 year old to drink on his birthday but not 1 day beforehand, same for driving, 1 km over the speed limit is dangerous, but 1 under isn't, 15 mins on a sunbed, a certain number of xrays a year etc.... and on and on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,424 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I actually do get the point of the curfew. I've seen lots of sarcastic posts today saying "The virus doesn't know what time it is", but the aim of a curfew is not to 'stop' transmission, but to reduce it.

    The braver thing to do of course would be to shut down all hospitality immediately, but the point of a curfew is slow down transmission and buy themselves time with the booster jabs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    This is the type of infantile attitude that a lot of people have. Frankly, its why we end up with restrictions in the first place.

    Its the type of person who has little emotional intelligence to understand the basic salient points of any given situation.

    We are all sick of covid, we are all sick of restrictions, we are all sick of people losing jobs but this type of argument is akin to spoilt child territory.

    The government need to divert funds from other public sectors to Health and create capacity. When covid cases are low, open the country fully. When a wave is on the horizon, lock up shop. Thats what living with covid should be in the short term.

    Let's hope Omicron and future variants are not as severe. Let's hope we don't need another 15 jabs.

    Keep doing the basics, if you don't, you are part of the problem and have no right to complain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Oh ok ordinary people don't understand what they are doing, the experts know it all and closing Pubs at 8pm is the solution because Covid needs a certain amount of time to spread so by that logic it's better to crowd everyone together for a short period of time rather than spread them apart over a longer period of time. Great logic.

    At this stage all us that don't understand are basically sick of the whole approach at this stage, they are just making it up as they go along. What's the point in these measures when we have open boarders with the UK were they have a very callus attitude to the whole thing and the Government there is happy to let the Virus run it's course.

    First it was wear a mask for 4 days as the Virus cannot survive that length

    Then shutdowns until we find a Vaccine

    Now a new Virus so even though we have been Vaccinated we still must isolate? wtf? I'm Vaccinated, so are 96% of the population, the Omicron variation is not as lethal as the original Covid. Enough of the BS from the sensationalist Media, Politician's and Health service

    It boils down to this

    either get busy Living or get busy dying



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  • Posts: 14,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    See it’s the dying part that most people have an issue with. Not necessarily as a direct result of Covid, more it’s effect on our health service and the provision of treatments for other illnesses.

    But carry on, it’s only been explained a million times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Yeah go tell that to the UK so

    and I will carry on, like the vast majority are going to do from now on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    Which is why an abundance of caution going forward is very welcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I'm just sick of people who can't understand risk over time exposure etc...

    People do understand that it is not coming from hospitality but largely in unregulated social mixing. It's a somewhat pointless measure given how quickly this allegedly spreads but the sooner we can put some actual data on this variant, the sooner measures which invoke fear of the unknown can stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    They just started giving those most at risk the booster 2 weeks ago. 🤦‍♂️

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Probable and suspected cases were at 200k a day at the start of the week and expected to hit a million a day by weekend.


    So no, he isn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,512 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I'd be cautiously optimistic for Ireland.

    I think the wall of vaccination will hold combined with the current mindset of the populous.

    It will be a tough Christmas for many, with a few hairy moments for the health service, I also think the majority of primary school kids may not see the inside of a classroom until Feb at least.

    But IMHO we will fair much better than other places in Europe.



  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    this is what this thread is for. We either speculate or don’t post.

    i haven’t personally posted on covid since March 2020, the threat has been minimal since then. Omnicron could be very serious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Another incredibly interesting study has emerged re: the severity of omicron. It once again points to a milder variant, less effective at infecting cells.

    https://www.citiid.cam.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/FIGURES-OMICRON-PAPER.pdf

    SARS-CoV-2 Omicron spike mediated immune escape, infectivity and cell-cell fusion

    “Importantly, fusogenicity of the Omicron spike is significantly impaired, leading to marked reduction in syncitia formation. These observations highlight that Omicron has gained immune evasion properties whilst compromising on properties associated with replication and pathogenicity.”



  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It does, with the people who leave. The aim of the 8pm ending time is to stop crowds building at all. If the pubs get crowded by 8pm they will stop everything.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A bit more from the author worth a read. Still a bit early to say what it means but it's a good sign. It supports the idea that Omicron is less well adapted to replication in the lungs.

    For anybody wondering syncitia are formed when infected cells fuse together. This aids replication and makes them difficult for T-cells to kill. They're a hallmark for tissue damage and inflammation. Delta was particularly adept at forming them.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,792 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    Great research. It is more and more pointing towards expected mildness. Case numbers will be sky high, hospitalisations will be up but not to same extend and ICU shouldn't see much increase



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    I dunno did anyone share this already..but hospital age comparison Vs other waves in South Africa. The only thing is they had rougher delta waves compared to ours with low vacine take up increasing as the wave progressed. Different situation to us, so the difference between orange and grey bars may not hold true here but of course it could with progress of boosters in key groups in the population.

    Interested to see why cases in Gauteng have flattened of ..is it backlog or test capacity or is true on the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Testing in Gauteng is actually increasing at the moment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Except it does the exact opposite.

    When Pubs had a closing time it always ends in a rush for the last hour. That used to be the way when we had early closing on a Sunday night, the 8pm close will have the same effect.

    Anyway, it's still a waste of time when we have open boarders with the UK where they give the 2 fingers to this whole aspect of isolation and mask wearing



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Yes, good info. Delta seems to have been the optimum. It is very important to highlight the fact that Omicron does not seem travel downwards into the lungs but remains at the bronchi stage so less cytokine storms w the immune system going haywire and out of control tissue damage. Actually, Delta was already a tad 'milder' in that respect and now Omicron with really low levels of serious inflammation, hence the difference in symptoms. People with asthma etc. should really be extra careful and of course other vulnerable people.

    If it leads to less hospitalisations f people with severe symptoms and ICU admissions it seems to me a real missed opportunity not to have created separate Covid clinics away from hospitals and staff them with med students, nurses and other healthcare workers. Especially when it looks like most people entering w Covid symptoms now will have mild, upper respiratory issues and will be out after 2 or 3 days. Why the hell would you both allow the Omicron infection spread going into hospitals and make people self isolate for 10 days in case they either get Covid or are a close contact? That is a big factor in the upcoming Omicron damage imo. They used to have TB clinics in the old days. Instead we are once again cutting off healthy areas to protect the few. Immense collateral damage if you ask me..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭corkie


    10,059 additional confirmed cases of the #Omicron variant of COVID-19 have been reported across the UK. Confirmed Omicron cases in the UK now total 24,968.

    UK PDF: - Omicron daily overview: 18 December 2021

    Number of people hospitalized with Omicron in England rises to at least 85, up from 65 yesterday, with 7 deaths, up from 1 - UKHSA

    The data also shows seven people have now died with the new variant in England as of 16 December - up from a previous death toll of one.


    total (worldwide) 44,959 (~79,573)

    Post edited by corkie on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The Netherlands is announcing strict new restrictions later today. All non essential stores, pubs, restaurants and schools to close.

    The restrictions will be in place until at least Jan 14th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭BobHopeless




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭BobHopeless


    Very wise move. Getting ahead of this thing before the sh1t hits the fan in January.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    And we are doing the opposite. We are going to wait until the excess damage is done over Christmas and every person will pay for that excess from January 1st.

    Said it already, they didn't learn a thing from the fiasco last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,337 ✭✭✭blackcard




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭BobHopeless


    Government haven't learnt a thing. Bending to the drinks and restaurants lobby once again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭Tom_Crean


    Tony's master plan is to infiltrate health advisory boards all over the globe to achieve his ultimate aim of world domination.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    You might, if you have it in you, show a bit of respect to those who are about to be dumped back in the dole again.



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