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Formula 1 Round 22 Abu Dhabi GP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,260 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Russel is very fast, and eager to prove that. What better way of doing that then by going up against a 7 time champion like Hamilton? Russel has been part of the Merc family for a long time as well, so I doubt he will be kept back too much, if at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭McFly85


    This isn’t news but Mrs McFly just surprised me with tickets to Zandvoort next year. Beyond buzzing!

    So I hope this Hamilton retiring is nonsense, I’d love to get to see him race live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,562 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Its at the clerk of the course's discretion when the safety car comes in. Whether people think its irregular or not is beside the point. Most people know this, Mercedes know it, these are the rules they signed up to and agreed to along with letting them race. If they don't like the rules, they know where the door is.

    There was no reason to bring in the safety car earlier and zero reason to leave it out for the final lap. Bad enough as the controversy was, it would have been far worse if he left the safety car out to the end. That would really ruin the integrity of the sport.

    Anyways its time to draw a line under it. The Brits will continue to whine about it no doubt, well those who never watched a formula 1 race before and don't understand fully the rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,260 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭quokula


    On the plus side, if he does retire there's a good chance you'll be watching 2 Dutch World Champions race each other at Zandvoort.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,527 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭quokula


    Hopefully he makes a quick recovery. With the way omicron is going there'll barely be anybody in the paddock who hasn't had it by the start of next season. Fortunate that relatively few races were missed by anyone during the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭v10


    The Austrian "would very much hope Lewis continues racing" but also suggested Hamilton "will never overcome the pain and the distress that was caused on Sunday".

    Total pile of $hite, he knows full well that Lewis is going nowhere and is just trying to milk all he can from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭thefa


    Last season Lewis himself was saying no guarantee of returning for 2021 and of course he came back. Don’t think he’s the type to finish on such a close loss, one shy of the record when still close to his peak.

    Think Merc just want Masi’s head to roll which may already be in the pipeline for all we know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,704 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Load of crap. Massa kept going after 08, Vettel has kept going, Alonso, Webber,Button etc. Toto is not a well man right now.

    This too shall pass.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,985 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Nobody, Lineker included thinks Abu Dhabi was the entire championship...Lineker simply used one race/GP/incident to make a point, albeit a point that was too balck and white....but it was deliberately black and white. He's no fool. Filks reading too much int his deliberate/intentional exaggeration



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Not sure how either him or Shearer have any credibility the way they glossed over Sterling's dive in the euros this summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭mary 2021


    He is a double crossing little turd he too k the knee for BLM & then took the same knee to Prince Charles for a knighthood. the sirs & the lords i believe were the original slavers and colonial ists .. He needs to decide which knee is telling the truth !! Ha ha ha i love a woke hypocrite they debunk every movement when its about sugar lumps for themselves. |Champagne socialist living in Monaco so glad they tricked him out of the title he was a pain in the ass with his politics, and his knight hood proves it was all for show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,704 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    We have a Let's Talk about Lewis thread for throwing sh1t at Lewis's personal life. This thread is for the Abu Dhabi racing alone.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,985 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    With all due respect this post is a pile of turd!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭Anjobe


    You don't see the irony of focusing on one contentious incident in a very black and white way, rather than the game as a whole?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Not really no, that was an incident during a knock out game, not an incident during a league game. If it were the last game of a premiership season then I could see irony.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭JeffKenna





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭nf2k


    Yeah I agree that it doesn't sit right and the chosen approach seems odd. I think masi was in a tough position and didn't know what to do, hence all the confusion around un lapping or not. I don't think he was purposefully trying to manipulate the race for a show.


    With hindsight, the fairest solution was a red flag. The crash didn't merit a red flag and in that context alone the call was correct. When we then learn about the implications for the championship then that changes. Hard to blame him for that, although all subsequent decisions are on his shoulders



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    The race director got the track clear and the race ended under green flag as had previously been agreed by everyone.


    If Hamilton didn't spend two laps behind Checo on old soft tyres he would have had a chance to pit under either the VSC or SC


    As for manipulation, Toto telling Masi over race radio not to use the SC when Gio parked up on the outside of a corner was manipulation. Like the time when Hamilton put Max in the wall and Toto was sending emails to the RD explaining why he thought that was all fine.

    The "fairest solution" nonsense needs stop. Masi isn't there to be fair to everyone in these circumstances. His job is to get the track clear and the motor race back under way. Safety cars are the great unknown.

    If Latifi didn't bin it, Hamilton coasts to a win. But yeah it was manipulated by Masi against Hamilton. That's the way Hamilton and Merc will want this to be remembered.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭nf2k


    Wouldn't agree that it has been manipulated. I do agree that his job is to get the race underway. Standard procedure is always fair and your point stands in that context. Normal safety car procedure in the middle of the race would have been fair without question, safety car to the end would have been fair without question.

    He did take a different approach than usual so it appears that it is his job to use his judgement to achieve that. And judgment has to be fair, otherwise you are in the realm of being open to clearly biased decision making. In this case it is not clear that the judgment was fair. I'm a max fan and trying to be as objective as possible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,985 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I think fair would have been to give the last lap and a bit as racing, but to not let cars unlap (as per RDs original decision). This seems fair to both Lewis and Max. Gives Max less a chance to take Lewis, and Lewis a fairer chance to hold Max off. Lewis being on well-worn tyres compared to Max on fresh ones…the cars between Lewis and Max are blue flagged!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭Gamb!t


    I have a feeling he's going to quit.

    Hope Im wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,527 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    He signed a new 2 year contract for £120m in July. No chance he walks from that. This is all just Mercedes PR bluster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,123 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    It's not about "being fair" to anyone.

    Each party had the same options to pit or not. It should be about getting racing as soon as possible. Which it was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,123 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I said it as soon as they signed russell. George was a strange sign as he wont want to be a #2 to lewis otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    If he had won on Sunday then I’m certain he’d have done a Rosberg and retired that night! Now he’ll have the weigh up what next years car is going to be like. If he thinks he has a chance at #8 then he stays!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭quokula


    Before they signed Russell I said there was zero chance of Bottas being replaced until Lewis retired, which is why I was shocked when they announced the signing. I didn't forsee Lewis actually retiring in response, but it does make sense now looking back. He was hoping to go out on a high as 8 time world champion, but having been beaten it's a harder decision, and any announcement would of course look like he's running away from a challenge. The fiction Mercedes have constructed around the FIA being against them has been a good way to create an excuse for that.

    A lot of the decision will come down to how the 2022 car is progressing in the simulator and what he thinks their prospects are for next year I'd imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,276 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    He wont???

    He finished 15th with 16 points.

    I know hes going to the team with the best car, and will improve on 4 points finishes, but hes not going to challenge Hamilton!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,260 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    In fairness, when he jumped into the car last year, he was soundly beating Bottas despite not even know how to operate the functions on the wheel before the race.

    I think Russel will be much more on Hamiltons pace than Bottas ever was.



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