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My Bungalow Bliss

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭waxmelts2000


    Maybe they will Air B&B to make some money on it while vacant



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A friend of mine bought a big standard 70s/80s bungalow, did a massive job on it. Insulation, new everything. It's a lovely house now.

    cost approx 100,000 euro to renovate. Far better value than any of the three we have seen so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭gooner99




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    I got the impression that couple 3 were financially cuter than the other 2... Just an impression mind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    The couple last night seemed to not really like the house they bought. They said that it'd be far better if they could just knock the cottage down and rebuild it. I wonder if they bought it thinking they'd be able knock most of it and rebuild it?

    Hugh asked them if they loved it and they said no, they had a gratitude towards it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭the-island-man


    It can be entertaining television but I also find it very unethical. It reminds me of the excesses of the Celtic tiger years that got us into bother. The keeping up with the Jones crap that went on. Rather than championing value for money it seems people are taking on debt like it's a badge of honour.


    The irony of the host highlighting the book which influenced the shows title. A book which laid out plans for low cost Bungalows. He could learn a thing or two!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭gooner99



    Spoiler Alert.....

    If plans are followed as submitted, house 4 will have two flat roof timber clad extensions, an outside covered area and west & south patio areas. Lots of changes to windows. Guess it won't be a 100k refurb.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    We quite literally grew up with Bungalow Bliss, my dad printed the book for the vast majority of its print run over multiple years and editions, so the multiple variations of the different layouts are very familiar to me from over the years, from watching the pages pass through the print press, or the folder.

    Over the editions you can see the evolution of the print layout process & my dad's growing fondness of Brush script as digital setup on a then cutting edge Macintosh SE, these books were laid out by one man, on a tiny monochrome 9" screen, I remember a later A4 portrait screen being revolutionary at the time 😆

    I think Bungalow Bliss served a purpose, don't really see the negative connotation to the idea of the book now, in fact its interesting to look at the development plans of a lot of county councils and note that pages extracted from Bungalow Bliss over the years still form the guidelines for house location.

    As a side question, what is the difference between a Bungalow and any other detached one off single story house?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭bytheglass


    Could you share the link please? I copied this code into the donegal planning search bar but it didn’t bring up any results



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭bytheglass


    I’d love to see these real life examples, video diaries of self-renovations. I wish the program was like that, I’d learn a helluva lot more



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,741 ✭✭✭Effects




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭spyderski


    When was this? 10 years ago or so? Because you cannot do a “massive job” on a 70’s/80’s bungalow for €100k now, or anything like it.

    While some of the jobs on the programme leave a lot to be desired, the final costs are not unrealistic for the results delivered.I’d say some costs were understated in the programme. In particular, the cottage in Donegal cost a lot more than €350k to finish to that standard, given the engineering and structural work involved, and the super high end finishes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,741 ✭✭✭Effects


    A friend of mine had a big extension done two years ago, approx €100,000.

    Builder was back recently and said if he was doing it now, that it would probably be about twice the cost.

    I think people still don't believe how much more expensive building work is now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭boardlady


    Well we built our home from a Bungalow Bliss design - the edition shown in post #410 on the right. We had little money and could only borrow a small mortgage - this was 1999. We thought we were being savvy and allowed extra pitch in the roof and extended wiring and plumb lines into the attic to allow us to convert it in the future. We did just that 6 years after we moved in. There are a few things that we would change now - as i'm sure most of you would say about your homes. However, we are still very happy in our house and it serves our needs very well. Yes, some of the spaces can be dark but this is Ireland, and a large part of the year is spent with lights on regardless of how much natural light is filtering in. I think that in the midst of a housing crisis, and an environmental crisis, it is rather crass to be airing a show which is dissing the very means by which so many provided accommodation for themselves in hard times past as well as rubbing it into the noses of those who already dispair that they will ever own their own home. We are being encouraged to retro fit to save energy - however these jobs shown have all used masses of energy and materials in their renovations. In many cases, the most environmental action is to take none. Regarding personal tastes for the finishings in the homes shown, I learned years ago that the minute you renovate, your house is dating in at least someone else's eyes!



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    She moved into it last year, took about 5 months to do.

    New windows, doors, two new bathrooms, new kitchen, all walls and ceilings plastered/skimed, new woodwork, new heating, rewired, all decorating. Everything done, basically a brand new house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,741 ✭✭✭Effects


    So no new structures built at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Agree 100% These bungalows were modern, affordable, extendable and are still serving their purpose. No one, to my knowledge, had to get a 30 year morgtage to build one. My grand uncle built one in the early seventies and he was telling me recently that the grant paid for foundations, walls, roof and windows ! In fact the suppliers did not expect payment until the grant cheque arrived ! And he did loads of the work himself, like digging and building septic tank, labouring with the roofer evenings & weekends, carrying up roof tiles etc. . In the last 10 years he fitted new uPVC windows, doors etc. + upgraded insulation, new gutters etc. overall the structure is good as new, no cracks, leaks or subsidence. Will last another 50 years easy.

    The bungalow bliss TV programme is not for the ordinary working family, it's geared towards those who have more money than sense, the total opposite to what the original Bungalow Bliss book represented. The production company should have a rule that only those who did not require a mortgage could take part. Architects love to indulge their grandiose airy-fairy fantasies so long as some other poor sap is paying......for the next 30 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,741 ✭✭✭Effects


    But you can, and should, reign in your architect when you need to. We did it multiple times. We came in fairly under budget on our build.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,519 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    I have to say I'm disappointed in this show. I was interested in it to see how these bungalow bliss homes would be worked on. Both my parents and my in-laws built bungalow bliss homes in the 70s and 80s, both are very proud of the homes they built and still fondly recall stories from when they were built, who helped them out, how much things cost and how they moved in and fitted it out as they went along.

    I'd have liked to have seen these types of houses been done up on a more realistic (IMO) budget. Modernised and updated, not completed changed altogether. I felt very sorry for the couple last week from Wicklow, knowing what the couple's budget was the architects still produced drawings for something well in excess of their budget and naturally enough the client is going to be tantalised with that. They were stretched well beyond their means and he worked every hour god sent to try and keep their heads above water.

    Are the clients too in awe by the fancy architect, the elaborate plans and the tv cameras to turn around and say that's lovely but it's outside our budget, can you go back and revise it please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,662 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I agree with you but I'd imagine with cameras rolling and a whole production crew in the background it could be rather hard to speak up.

    Whatever about the first and third house, the second house has really left me with a bitter taste.

    I genuinely feel that couple were seriously taken advantage of. The underfloor heating was a monumental f#@k up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,741 ✭✭✭Effects


    I understand what you mean. But I imagine you have plenty of time off camera to discuss things.

    I personally would hate to have a camera crew documenting my build. I'd just pay what ever it cost to not have them there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,351 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    I dunno.

    The standard of materials has gone up so much in the last 15 years alone that you cannot compare houses from then with now.

    In 40 years time will we be regretting putting all this blown insulation into buildings??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭gooner99


    In contrast on Room to Improve, every episode has the obligatory confrontation with Dermot over the design and budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,662 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    He has a QS to reign him in.

    It's easy to have a "vision" when someone else is footing the bill.

    There are lots of things that are "nice to have" but totally unnecessary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    Labour and tradesmen rates are also gone through the roof now, also everything done now requires a different tradesman.

    I remember working for a small builder back in the early 80's, everyone worked directly for the builder none of this subbing out things to different people like now. Everyone worked together, the carpenter on the job would be stuck in the concrete when it came, the groundworker would be up on the roof when it got to that stage, most people could do various jobs hence the term ''jack of all trades, master of none'' was a popular saying at the time, if the builder was looking for someone to start with him, he would advertise for a ''handyman''.

    Have a look outside any house nowadays that's being built and you could see 10 different vans outside at any one time, everything is a trade now from planting a few flowers to putting up a few gutters,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Not sure about wall insulation but I know for a fact that many will regret building the modern all electirc houses, with heat pumps, mechanical ventilation etc. all depending on constant electric supply. I know of one young family with a baby who had to leave their all electric house for 3 days and move in with her parents (in their 1980's bungalow) after a power cut caused by storm Barra. They had no heat, no means of cooking, boiling water etc. They are now in the process of pulling their very expensive fitted kitchen apart to fit a gas cooker and the ultra modern electric cooker is destined for the dump ! Even without storm damage the ESB admits that their generating capacity is barely able to meet supply at peak times and that power cuts are inevitable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,741 ✭✭✭Effects


    Sure my house in the west was wired in the late 60s by the local mechanic 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Why would an ultra modern electric cooker be destined for the dump? Donedeal or some other selling site is the place for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,741 ✭✭✭Effects


    Who's going to have heating in a powercut? You might have a fire or stove, but surely it's not going to heat the whole house.

    Maybe they should have just got a generator rather than pulling their expensive kitchen apart. Or get a small gas stove for rare emergencies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Maybe the genisus that designed the house should have thought of that, instead they put all their eggs in one 'electric' basket and when the electric failed....... Contrast that to the 1980's bungalow the couple decamped to. It has a solid fuel fire in the sitting room and a solid fuel stanley range in the kitchen. Once they ensured that some water was always left in the attic storage tank they could live for weeks, cook etc. and be warm without electricity. You hardly need an architect to turn a warm kitchen and sitting room into temporary bedrooms during an emergency. Power cuts caused by Storm Arwen in the north of England recently lasted for up to 2 weeks, same could happen here before winter is out even without inclement weather if electricity demand outstrips supply. As my granny used to say 'hope & pray for the best but always plan for the worst' We don't live in an ideal, world s*it happens !



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