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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Stretch it out to 4 months then to take account of the above.


    An equal rate of infection this weekend in Ireland as predicted for Britain will see 70k cases a day.


    The very very most will be exposed to it, most will never know it or not be troubled much



  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Also AstraZeneca, which appears to be useless against Omicron, was not used nearly as much here and those cohorts most likely to have had it : 60-70, healthcare workers and some of those vaccinated very early in the original rollout, have likely been offered boosters at this stage.

    In contrast, AstraZeneca formed the backbone of the UK vaccine campaign and there's a reluctance to critique a "national champion" that was so lauded by the political actors running the show over there. There a lot of national pride tied up in it. It's also not to say it's not an excellent product. It just may be pot luck they the mRNA vaccines have held up well against a particular varient. A lot of this is rather random luck.

    They also have a lot of younger people who only ever received one dose of a vaccine that should have been two doses.

    They also did a lot of messing around with delaying and spreading doses way outside the manufacturers' label - so there's a lot of stuff that isn't really known. That may have no effect, it could even be positive or it could be negative. We just don't know because it isn't the regimen that was trialled by the vaccine makers.

    We've also vaccinated a lot more 12-16 year olds.

    Our campaign also started later than the UK, so fade out may not be as severe here yet.

    In terms of vaccination we are in a significantly different place, both with generally higher uptake and different mix of vaccines (mostly Pfizer/BioNTech) and we stuck very much to the double dosing regime and administration schedules exactly as per the label.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,689 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,996 ✭✭✭User1998


    This is it. I’m self employed also and the show must go on if your sick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Both, but particularly 2020, nearly single figure cases and too afraid to lift restrictions. Of course repeated again in 2021 with huge numbers vaccinated especially the vulnerable and at risk.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Sick pay, even holiday pay would be nice! And then the government throw you under a bus if you get seriously ill and need social welfare help. 10 days of isolating every time you get the sniffles is a civil servants wet dream.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Rte radio this morning didn't come across as very positive. It seems like numbers could beat the surge we had last January. it's all very depressing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Cases, cases, cases, its always about the cases with them. Boosters increasing every day, hospital numbers falling and they still focus on the scaring us with what January will be like, hint, it will be like every January.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,924 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    The biggest problem with a big surge in cases, with a mainly vaccinated population, may not necessarily be hospitalisations/deaths, but people isolating and dealing with milder illness at home. Could have a significant effect on society if you have lots healthcare workers, teachers, emergency services personnel, general working population, etc., etc., all needing to isolate at the same time! Huge effect on the economy. Could be a really messy January and February from that perspective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    RTE mainly exist now on revenue created from covid advertising from this inept government -dont expect them to play a different tune a totally corrupt unit



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    I've stopped reading RTE news and removed the bookmark from my browser, after their "if you get it now you're on your own for Christmas" story. Awful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭MarkHenderson


    Hopefully the government act today and be pro active. This coming surge has the possibility to decimate the health service in January



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That number seems to come from Donnelly, even if there is yet another pessimistic NPHET scenario at the back of it. The noises for the meeting today are some tweaks and more of that friendly Christmas cheer of stay the hell away from each other.

    BBC opinion piece on Omicron.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,753 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    That would be one of my biggest fears. Alone for Christmas because of catching the dreaded covid. I'm trying to be uber cautious at the moment so I can see family for Christmas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The impact boosters are having on hospital numbers is undeniable. The drop in hospital admissions is almost entirely in those age groups that have received their boosters.


    Today's the day anyway.

    Your schedule of misery starts with a round-up of non-stop speculation over what NPHET might say, supported by scant evidence from other countries and soundbites from TDs on breakfast programmes.

    Then we have the NPHET meeting, after which there will be considerable leakage to the press to tell us what to expect.

    Then at 4pm we have the main event, which is the UK daily cases. Will the numbers jump again? Tune in to find out.

    After that will be an evening of journalists asking politicians leading questions in an attempt to get someone to say the words "restrictions", "lockdown" and "Omicron" as many times as possible. Get your free pandemic buzzword bingo card in today's Irish Independent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Beaten by a literal gee hair. 443 in hospital this AM :D

    This is mostly being driven by lower hospital admission rates. Discharges are dropping (as you'd expect), but not as fast as new cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    What the lockdown merchants really need to get through their heads. This is from the doctor in that BBC article, nothing that requires you to have a degree in the medical field to establish this view though.

    The problem in Ireland is that the services sector and the lifeblood of many people's social lives is just regarded as collateral damage and people seem to think it doesn't matter if jobs are lost in this sector or people are deprived from a very vital social function. I think a lot of the Irish population take delight in being punished for socialising(but more pertinently drinking) In other parts of Europe, it's like 'No this is how we interact and mingle as a society,' whereas in Ireland our drinking culture is viewed by both drinkers and non-drinkers as nearly depraved and mischievous and it seems that lockdowns have been sent to put manners on us. How we speak about drinking is telling! If you ever speak to a European, it's viewed as a lot more wholesome than it is viewed in Ireland. It's subtle but you can tell the difference. I think a bit of the puritanical American attitude to alcohol seeped into our culture more so than on the continent. Maybe it's catholic shame?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 Davidjamson


    Sports industry and entertainment industry lost a lot due to covid 19
    




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    100%.

    Some seem to think it's as if there will be no sunk costs to Irelands approach.

    This Christmas, is again, a disaster for hospitality. I was in a few pubs and restaurants this week(rural towns) and they were empty, certainly empty for a week before Christmas during what should be it's busiest time.

    This isn't even over yet in Ireland. More restrictions likely on the way, and the next few months will follow the same course as the first few months last year.

    And the Irish will cheer it on and wear the lockdown badge with a great honour



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah, not being able to go inside a restaurant until July 26th was shameful really. "Science"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    The impact boosters are having on hospital numbers is undeniable. The drop in hospital admissions is almost entirely in those age groups that have received their boosters.

    But the unvaccinated were the cause of the problem I thought???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Yes, they are. Because a small handful of selfish cvnts are afraid of a needle, we're having to rely on adding a third dose to a load of already vaccinated people in order to reduce the pressure on the hospital system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,620 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Are you trying to imply that boosters are only needed because of the unvaccinated? 🤣

    Jesus - it really is a case of "my vaccine only works if you get yours"



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Lookit, we could have 100% of people vaccinated 3 times and Donnelly and NPHET would still be warning of 'grave' and 'serious' concerns from Professor Nolan's colouring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Surely the new strain suggest that the unvaccinated are a red herring. I mean it would be beneficial if they were vaccinated of course but if a strain can emerge such as Omicron that is even more virulent than previous variants what difference really does it make? The hospitals are going to be slammed anyway. I think there would be more of an argument, albeit a slippery slope if life was normal and there was over a number of years a clear sign of the burden the unvaxed were placing on the healthcare system but we don't have the time horizon yet to establish that.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That is the most hilarious take I have ever heard on here.

    All in it together lads (as long as you do what I say).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The protection against Omicron is still very strong even after two doses. Transmission protection is massively reduced, but hospitalisation and severe illness protection is still strong.

    Even if Omicron turns out to be statistically mild, there will be a percentage who are hit hard, and it's the unvaccinated that will be most severely affected.



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