Turning Left in a left turn lane

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No that's a mad reach that would never stand up - "I signaled my maneuver by being in a lane that allowed my maneuver". Nowhere in the statute does it ever state that being in a specific lane is sufficient to signal your intention to perform any maneuver. It always links it to using your indication lamps. the quoted text above explicitly does not allow for left-only lanes cars to maneuver without signalling their intention, If they intended that to be possible they'd surely have included it as a caveat.

Sometimes the people behind you might not realize they are in a left turning lane. Indicate.

The design fail of having a left-only lane outside a straight/left cycling lane - and a physically separated one at that, now that they've put the wands in - is just mind-boggling.

Those wanded cycling lanes are great when you're in them on the bike, but they kind of freak me out coming to junctions - I've definitely had more near-swipes by left-turning cars from them than when I'm just in normal traffic.

There seems to have been no consideration of how vehicular traffic will interact with bikes in those wanded lanes at junctions.

Eyes in the back, front and side of your head is my philosophy always - only this morning I was almost sideswiped by a driver who only indicated literally as their wheels were turning to turn left. They were utterly oblivious that I was even there.

Yoiks - that is scary.

If you cycle towards UCD Belfield going North you cross the Foster's Avenue junction. There is a marked cycle lane with those wonderful wands.

If am going ahead towards UCD I am often in conflict with cars that come from behind and turn left straight across me with no signal.

Even some of the ones that do signal still cut me up but at least they give me notice of intention !

Legally, I always thought that the operation of a turn indicator was a statement of intent and not the acquisition of a legal right to execute the manoeuvre in question regardlessly.

BTW it is just as dangerous on the far side of the front gate to UCD near the Montrose Hotel - no traffic lights involved but the left turn motorists are still just as bad 😒

How would you know it’s a left turn only lane, if the only markings are on the road, and the lane is full of cars?

Any change of direction should be indicated, bar the blindingly obvious- a bend in the road etc.

Being in a left turn only lane is indicating an intent to turn left. Note that the requirement is not to "use an indicator mounted on the vehicle" or similar, but instead just a broad sense that the intent be indicated.

As they are in a left turn only lane and follow that direction onto the next road it could be contended that in fact no lane change occurred at all.

So you don't expect anyone in a right turn lane to indicate? Or anyone in a motorway slip lane?

"Being in a lane that requires a particular maneuver is quite different to being in a lane that allows a particular maneuver. The question is, does being in a lane that requires a particular maneuver constitute signalling your intention? I would contend it does because you have no option to do otherwise"

Your contention is incorrect.

"The excerpt of the legislation you quote in post #16 refers to a vehicle signalling an intention to turn left but does not specify how it should signal. Obviously using an indicator lamp is the norm but a driver could use hand signals (I think that's still legal) so why not road position, whereby the driver has no option but to follow the road signage?"

The law does indeed specify how the indication must be given, by "using a direction indicator........or give the appropriate hand signal". Anyhting else, such as the mere presence in the lane does not satisfy the legal requirement to indicate your intention.

Yes, it is a penalty point offence to fail to obey the lane indications.