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Formula 1 Round 22 Abu Dhabi GP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Nobody is crying about Max not getting any luck, they are rebuting your waffle. I never mentioned Monza. Nobody handed anybody anything, to suggest that means there's someone pulling strings and blatantly giving someone advantages. Is that what your saying?

    You are doing a Toto at the moment. Maybe take a break from the internet if it's winding you up this much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Lewis announces the result was manipulated over the radio and didn't show up to the press conference.

    Totto just walked out of the garage, said no words of support to Lewis or any of the team. Went straight into launching appeals and chatting with barristers.

    Like someone mentioned before, he knows what to do when the cameras are rolling.

    Masi had the last laugh for the "F*** them all" comment.



  • Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "the initial reluctance to let lapped cars through immediately like they normally do".

    They never let lapped cars through immediately. They clear the accident, make sure the marshalls are off the track, then let lapped cars through. When the final lapped car clears the safety car, they announce that the safety car will come in at end of next lap.

    That's the normal procedure.

    The marshalls were still on the track on lap 56/58, they looked to be climbing over the barriers at that time. So the track was fully clear sometime around lap 56 or 57. That is the earliest that lapped cars could unlap themselves. There was no delay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Is that the race where Russel was handed P2 ahead of Hamilton, just because??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭quokula


    Glad you’re here to clear everything up as you’re clearly more knowledgeable than Sebastian Vettel and Fernando Alonso, sure what would they know with their 6 world championships between them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,990 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    The 1st lap shambles is being forgotten here.

    Can't get my head around how that was allowed to go without penalty for Hamilton.

    Max made the corner, stayed on track, didn't touch Hamilton. Hamilton drives straight on and comes out far far ahead. No penalty.

    If we want to talk about rules, could have been a completely different race if first corner was handled fairly.

    The stewards imo did their best to hand championship to Hamilton.

    The safety car caused an unforeseen situatîon and Mercedes strategy meant they couldn't cope with safety car.

    I think team representations to race control during race should be from 1 individual only and in writing only.

    This radio contact with a whinging Wolff or Horner telling masi what to do is just terrible.

    Masi not the man for the job but have abit more faith in him after basically telling Christian Wolff to F off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,242 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    I wonder will there be a scene above when they eventually make the movie.

    'The best decision is my decision'

    Just a reminder for anyone that is new to it that it has never been plain sailing - politics always has and continues to play a huge part.



  • Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That is an appeal to authority fallacy.

    How about telling me what part of my post you disagree with, in your words. Without the attitude.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭quokula


    I wouldn’t say there was anything political about the end of the race. It was a run of the mill safety car scenario and Red Bull outsmarted their opponents on strategy and on race craft on the restart. Mercedes desperately tried to turn it into something it isn’t with all their protestations and attempts to bully the race director into throwing away all standard precedent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,990 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    That was one of JM balestre more democratic moments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,751 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Hampton should have kept his line and let Max crash into him. If they'd both crashed out who wins....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,990 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Max does on race wins but no doubt would have got a penalty if he had managed to exit that corner ahead of Hamilton.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,708 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Because of th ending, we didn't to get see any donuts this year? Would've been a good way to end the current regulations with the cars having everyone do donuts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,751 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    ...which is it makes sense for Hamilton avoid him like the plague...

    It's a habit that could be exploited with a more competitive and aggressive team mate, with nothing to lose and everything to prove.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,751 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    ...None of the drivers on the podium could keep on the track doing them...



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,708 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Ah ok. That makes sense. I wonder was that done to prevent donuts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,686 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Schumacher and Vettel did donuts alright but it wasn't shown on tv. I think one of the Alpines did a few too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,751 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I was referring to the drivers recent habit of going off track...



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,708 ✭✭✭✭antodeco




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,440 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers


    Mick did a couple, kinda messed them up though 😂




  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,708 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    I love his engineer. They both got a good laugh out of that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    The Red Bull fellah Wheatley is in Masi's ear numerous times every race and we even heard Horner doing so yesterday, which is unprecedented for him I believe. Horner also made a snide remark referencing Charlie Whiting which was intended to undermine Masi. Wolff's comments on the radio were mild enough and certainly could not be considered abusive or intimidatory. If Lewis had won the title in similar circumstances yesterday we know Red Bull would be hiring lawyers and lodging appeals right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Mearly asking question, Wheatley wanted to understand why Hamilton didn't have to give the place back and when he got his answer he was done. Horner wanted to know when then back markers would be clear, he got his answer and he was done. Toto was dictating when a safety car should be used or when a red flag shouldn't be used and then piss and moaned all the way from the back markers being cleared until turn 14. Also tried to dictate when a race should end. Not to mention saying "f*** them" to the FIA and all the stewards after being caught with their dodgy wing. I didn't see RB marching into the stewards with barristers.

    Huge difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,141 ✭✭✭Carcharodon


    Look, I get that people will always be partisan, it’s only human nature. I’ve been torn on Max and Lewis, I’ve been such a huge fan of Max for years but how can one not appreciate Lewis, he is one of the all time greats, that is just a fact.

    I think we can all agree that the rules need a bit more clarity and my personal opinion, I believe, deciding a world championship with that type of decision is not good enough for a season like that, I’ve been watching F1 for over 30 years, this one just doesn’t sit right, Lewis will be fine, he has done more than enough to show his greatness, the lack of conviction from F1 on these issues puts a taint on Maxs first championship



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    The world championship is not tainted. If Lewis had won, would it be tainted after say Imola and Silverstone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    The same Toto who


    demanded no safety car when Gio went off because that would bunch the field up and give an advantage to Max

    who wanted the race distance shortened to suit his guy

    who went to the stewards in Russia last year because his guy can't be bothered reading the race directors notes and got penalised for having practice starts outside of the designated space on safety grounds but then accused the FIA of trying to stop him

    Who emails the RD at silverstone to justify Max being put in the wall by Hamilton



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭SeeMoreBut


    Have Masi or anyone in the decision making give a reason why they gave 2 cars an advantage over all other cars?

    Max and the last car to unlap itself. Reason Max got 2 cars between him and person behind and 5 cars infront of him got removed to attack Hamilton.

    Last unlap car meant he couldn't get attacked and lose a place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,499 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I wonder if the vitriol would be as strong if the 2 contenders were more likeable. Say what you will about both, but neither come off as particularly likeable individuals. That's possibly why they're the top 2 drivers (compare seb now who seems a right sounder to seb when he was winning), but it does make it harder for the Lewis fanboys to recongise Max's achievements and for Max fanboys to acknowledge that Lewis was hard done by at the end.


    Like if this was Danny Ric versus Carlos Sainz would people be fighting over this as hard?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,141 ✭✭✭Carcharodon


    Fair enough, one could go back to every single race of the year but the reality is the last race is what decided it, and in my opinion, just an opinion, that’s not how the world championship should be decided because that’s the end, no one has the ability to come back at the next race, game over, ball burst ! It is what it is but no team or diver would be happy losing like that, that should speak for itself, F1 needs to learn from this, it’s not good for the sport, anyone hung ho on either side is delusional, it’s a messed up situation.



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