General British politics discussion thread

08-12-2021 07:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118291611#Comment_118291611

Forsyth and Sunak both went to Winchester College, so it isn’t beyond the realms of possibility that they are just good friends from an early age.

Seth Brundle · 08-12-2021 08:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118292096#Comment_118292096

I kinda figured they were close friends given the best man and godfather roles. What's your point (given that I didn't make any specific claims)?

08-12-2021 08:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118292202#Comment_118292202

I was confirming the Winchester connection. I was making the same point as you.

ie no point in particular.

Tell me how · 08-12-2021 10:32PM

People here probably know it already, but Ros Atkins of the BBC is fast becoming someone worth paying attention to on a host of UK politics.

His videos are excellent. This is the latest one on this current issue, but if you haven't seen any of them, its worth making a cup of tea and watching how the story evolved.

https://twitter.com/BBCRosAtkins/status/1468685471052144640

Itssoeasy · 08-12-2021 10:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118292202#Comment_118292202

you normally don’t see best men at your wedding and godfather to you kids being some stranger in fairness.

Strazdas · 08-12-2021 11:00PM

FT reckon there were '40 to 50 people' at the party. That's a big breach of the restrictions if true.....even 10 people would have been enough for police to raid the place and issue fines.

A Dub in Glasgo · 08-12-2021 11:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118292062#Comment_118292062

A change of tack from Johnson whereas earlier in the week and last week, he was stating no party took place and all covid restrictions were adhered to. See the BBC Ros Atkins report posted above

A Dub in Glasgo · 08-12-2021 11:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293168#Comment_118293168

The police facilitated it

Strazdas · 08-12-2021 11:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293236#Comment_118293236

They must have done, yes. Forty or fifty people could not have entered the premises at night time without the cops being aware of exactly what was going on (it's surprising this aspect isn't attracting far more media attention).

08-12-2021 11:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293274#Comment_118293274

You’re presuming they were entering the building, probably more likely they never left after their days work.

not everyone entering Downing Street goes through the black door either. No 10 has direct links to the cabinet office on Whitehall and the Foreign and Commonwealth office opposite

08-12-2021 11:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293224#Comment_118293224

Is there any suggestion that Johnson or any senior government monster, was actually there?

if they were not, then whatever they say is based on someone else’s assurances.

breezy1985 · 08-12-2021 11:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293324#Comment_118293324

Well it was in Johnson's house technically.

Also there could not have been any Tory monsters there as the party never happened and "that's a fact" (Johnson's own words)

Joe_ Public · 08-12-2021 11:34PM

How many parties are we talking about at this stage? Apart from the staff one in December, there was allegedly one in Johnsons flat on November 13th, which hasn't been denied. There was something else on the 27th, at which Johnson gave a speech, and supposedly a Christmas quiz of some sort on another date. Whether all these actually happened or were in contravention of rules or regulations, this is going to drag on for ages. Story after story, detail upon detail. This is going to get a lot worse for him before it ever gets any better.

breezy1985 · 09-12-2021 12:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293354#Comment_118293354

He must be getting worried about any other potential leaks even of it's stuff he doesn't know about. Right now they need a serious Malcolm Tucker type to go get a list of every bit of sht thats being prepared for the fan because someone is definitely out to get Johnson

farmerval · 09-12-2021 12:06AM

Is there a large slice of getting your own back from the Cummins wing in the Tories. Carrie won all the battles earlier and Stratton was her pal and was brought in over Cummins and his pals say so. All the Cummins flunkies around Johnson were forced out and that was seen as Carrie wielding the power in Nr 10.

It will be hard to get away from the pictures of Stratton laughing on the podium. These will be trotted out for days and days..

breezy1985 · 09-12-2021 12:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293508#Comment_118293508

I'm not sure why Gove ever thought he could be PM but he did and he said at the time that Johnson didn't have what it takes. He ran again in 19 so surely he still thinks he has a shot at PM

Strazdas · 09-12-2021 12:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293508#Comment_118293508

I heard today btw that Stratton was considered pretty useless in the PR role and this is why she was dumped so quickly - a very poor appointment.

Tell me how · 09-12-2021 03:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293485#Comment_118293485

The closest person to a Malcolm Tucker type in the middle of this is one of those throwing shade at Johnson, Dominic Cummings. Johnson is absolutely fcuked at this point, but, as mentioned several weeks ago when talking about the second jobs fiasco, the conservatives will want to keep him there as a type of metaphorical grease trap until they can cut him loose in the run in to the next General election. Although, if that trap continues to fill as is happening, some action may have to be taken sooner rather than later.

But, they are still getting their legislation passed, how could they not with an 80 seat majority and while the media is enthralled with this story, they passed more very divisive and likely harmful legislation with Patels Borders bill with virtually no public analysis of what is contained within it. Even the UN refugee council said that the bill breaches human rights, and yet, it is now going to be enacted in to law.

I don't think Tories planned the distraction, but, they're certainly benefitting from it in ways that are going to have pretty serious consequences for lots of people for many years.

Sudden Valley · 09-12-2021 10:30AM

It is ridiculous that they still can't seem to establish if the party took place, how many were there and who was at it. They are obviously unwilling to get these details for political reasons. Can't imagine the same situation of a party taking place in Leinster house or the white house and no one being sure if it took place! Seems the only casualty will be a woman that it seems was not even at the party. You can break the rules if you are protected politically it seems.

PommieBast · 09-12-2021 10:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293917#Comment_118293917

I'm starting to wonder whether the government has decided to give up on the next election completely and instead use/abuse its majority as much as possible while it still can.

L1011 · 09-12-2021 10:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118294403#Comment_118294403

Polling would suggest they could still win the next election, surreally.

Although if there is any SNP/Alba vote split, you could get Labour sneaking a handful of seats back in Scotland which wouldn't help the Tories. Although I suspect there won't be and I'm just seeing lots of Alba stuff from having worked with a massive Salmond supporter!

09-12-2021 10:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118294319#Comment_118294319

From what I can tell, the current situation would be not too dissimilar to a boards conversation that goes like this:

Poster A: "A party took place in the Boards Head Office"

Poster B: "No it didn't"

Poster A "Prove it"

Poster B "Prove what? I have been told nothing happened and have no reason not to believe that"

Poster A "PROVE IT"

Poster B "OK, I will get the CEO of Boards to investigate"

Poster A "Oh my god it's a cover up".

Tell me how · 09-12-2021 10:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118294319#Comment_118294319

What?

I don't see it like that at all.

They know the party took place, how many were there and who they were.

But they don't want everyone else finding out these details. All the 'Oh, we need to investigate to determine the facts' is low level PR waffle.

VinLieger · 09-12-2021 11:01AM

Tories now admitting they had their own party at Tory HQ

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/tory-party-shaun-bailey-hq-december-allegra-stratton-boris-johnson-b970845.html

So unlike what some would like us to believe on here it absolutely wasnt just some lifetime civil servants in No.10 breaking restrictions

Loafing Oaf · 09-12-2021 11:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118294485#Comment_118294485

I wonder is there a Tory Donie Cassidy to take the fall for this. Although it's hard to imagine a Brit powerbroker sporting such a wig...

seamus · 09-12-2021 11:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118294466#Comment_118294466

Johnson has denied that a large party took place in his own living room, but assigned someone who was allegedly at the party to investigate whether there was one, and then fired someone for making a joke about the party that he denies took place.

It's such a farce that you can't look away. They're just fumbling around this thing in the hopes that it goes away, they have no idea how they're actually going to bury it though.

The whole problem here is that Johnson could be saved if his official diary could show that he wasn't in London on 18th December. Since this hasn't happened, the only conclusion is that he was there, and he knows all about it. The only things left to emerge are documentary evidence of the party. Like WhatsApp chats, photos or videos.

09-12-2021 11:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118294736#Comment_118294736

can you provide a link or any evidence to back up that:

This was in Boris Johnsons's living room

Simon Case s alleged to be present

Allegra Stratton was fired

That a party took place?

seamus · 09-12-2021 12:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118294784#Comment_118294784

Lol. Amazing that this is the hill some people will die on.

You'll notice I never said a party took place. I said Johnson denied a party took place. Allegations that Case was at the party are everywhere. I didn't say he was there. I said he was alleged to be there.

If you think Ms. Stratton resigned of her own volition, then I have a bridge to sell you.

If any of these things annoy you, you might want to take it up with the journalists reporting it rather than posters on boards who are merely re-iterating what is being reported.

09-12-2021 12:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118294822#Comment_118294822

so you can't actually provide any links or evidence, you are just spreading rumours.

Strazdas · 09-12-2021 12:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118294736#Comment_118294736

Johnson's comments in the Commons yesterday were a clear attempt to deflect and to distance himself. Saying "I am assured that all procedures were followed correctly" or whatever is him saying "Bad stuff may have gone on but I know nothing about it". Would anyone believe him though? The guy is a pathological liar, probably the most deceitful and mendacious PM in British political history.....the UK version of Trump.

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