Students Challenge University Vaccine Pass Policy

Panthro · 08-12-2021 11:57pm #1

https://www.gofundme.com/f/students-challenge-university-vaccine-pass-policy

Thought this was an interesting one. No vax no degree basically.

Yurt2 · 09-12-2021 12:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058221989/students-challenge-university-vaccine-pass-policy

Healthcare students? F*ck em.

They're taking the case off the back of the Lancet study which (correctly) observes that there is no significant difference in the peak virus load if they contract it. What's also true is that vaccinated people clear the virus quicker, have less time with peak and high viral loads, and thus are less likely to transmit the disease forward.

Get with the program and take the vaccine.

09-12-2021 12:14am

The hospitals have a major problem with this virus spreading within their wards to vulnerable patients. I don't blame them for enforcing rules.

Ladies, it's not all about YOU.

y0ssar1an22 · 09-12-2021 12:17am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293525#Comment_118293525

well, based upon that, i have some further reading to do!

09-12-2021 12:18am

Hepatitis B vaccination is a requirement too for years. I bet they had those shots.

One of the core ethical duties of any healthcare practitioner is to keep themselves healthy both mentally and physically.

Getting ICU ill from an illness that has a vaccine, putting more pressure on the system due to your healthcare needs, and not being available for work, would be frowned upon.

Also there is no fundamental human right to pursue one particular course of study. don't see any court enforcing their demands.

such hyperbole in their pitch too.. crying discrimination and GDPR..seriously and they have got enough for 2 or 3 days in the high Court too. World is crazy

09-12-2021 12:26am

Well done, Trinity College.

A total and utter waste of judicial time.

09-12-2021 12:40am

An average donation of €33.

You'd get a few nights in Marrakesh for that.

Be right back · 09-12-2021 12:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293571#Comment_118293571

Crying GDPR when they have put their picture on the go fund page? Mandatory vaccines for going abroad too. Bet they wouldn't refuse to take them. There are side effects to all medications.

Beasty · 09-12-2021 1:32am

Moved from Current Affairs

One eyed Jack · 09-12-2021 1:33am

The absolute irony -

We are counting on the support of the public to make this possible and to allow us to continue our training as essential healthcare workers.

Be part of a movement!

As for being part of a movement, hopefully it’s in the direction of fcuking off and not playing silly beggars to put the public at risk from their own stupid behaviour.

ThePentagon · 09-12-2021 3:53am

The comments on the gofundme page 🤦‍♂️. God help these melodramatic loons.

Real Donald Trump · 09-12-2021 4:13am

2 young healthy women decide not to get the vaccine ? how terrible of them, stone them to death!!

Peregrinus · 09-12-2021 5:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293924#Comment_118293924

Yeah. Why should aspiring healthcare professionals be expected to give a damn about the possibly vulnerable patients to whom they might transmit an infectious disease?

Real Donald Trump · 09-12-2021 5:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293932#Comment_118293932

Yeah sure, because vaccinated people can't catch the virus and spread it, makes perfect sense.

Shao Kahn · 09-12-2021 5:45am

Hope they win their case!

This is not about being pro / anti vax anymore.

Certain people in society and government are enjoying this power and control they have over other people's lives (and in this case careers). It's getting completely out of hand at this point. Bullying would not be too strong a term tbh.

Unless there is a push back from more people against this authoritarianism, then we are heading down a slippery slope in society. And we could be stuck like this for many years to come.

Peregrinus · 09-12-2021 5:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293940#Comment_118293940

The case for vaccination - and, really, I shouldn't have to explain this - doesn't require that vaccinated people should be unable to catch and spread the virus; just that they should do so at lower rates than unvaccinated people.

Real Donald Trump · 09-12-2021 7:37am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293952#Comment_118293952

The people they would be caring for are most likely vaccinated, hence there should be no problem.

sydthebeat · 09-12-2021 8:37am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293971#Comment_118293971

Do you think the vaccine stops you catching the virus?

Do you think vulnerable people are much more likely of dying from the virus?

09-12-2021 8:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293971#Comment_118293971

You realise in healthcare, you're already required to have multiple vaccines? Should they be allowed to refuse all of them?

Also that GoFundMe is pure grifting.

pjohnson · 09-12-2021 9:07am

Thank fúck those cranks wont get the degree.

Best for everyone.

Panthro · 09-12-2021 1:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118294069#Comment_118294069

Out of interest, pre covid times, were people told before they begin these types of courses that they must have xyz jabs done before they start the course and progress in their careers does anyone know?

magicbastarder · 09-12-2021 1:27pm

the BCG vaccine is a requirement to work in the HSE, not just for frontline staff.

healthcare students rejecting basic healthcare provisions is utterly bizarre. it's like stating 'we don't believe in sound medical practice'.

09-12-2021 1:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295249#Comment_118295249

Yep, lots of required vaccines.

https://www.rcsi.com/dublin/student-life/undergraduate-essentials/vaccinations

magicbastarder · 09-12-2021 1:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293539#Comment_118293539

not true. being vaccinated reduces your chance of passing it on.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/study-ties-covid-vaccines-lower-transmission-rates

Graces7 · 09-12-2021 3:49pm

Surely if you decide not to get vaccinated for some kind of ??principle?? then you must accept the consequences of that choice?

Rather than expect an entire system to change for you?

All of us who are unable to take the vaccine for eg medical reasons have to make that adaptation.

09-12-2021 3:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293924#Comment_118293924

They are high risk category if working in hospital. Shem they have poisoned their medical career going forward. What a waste?!, What are they try to do, bribe the HSE with 40k more in their pockets and then get vaccinated?

Ben D Bus · 09-12-2021 4:13pm

Maybe I'm misreading study results, but I think these 2 have their claim wrong. The Lancet article they refer to seems to be comparing breakthrough cases in vaccinated people to unvaccinated cases. So they're just saying that anyone who has Covid risks passing it on, regardless of vaccination status?

But being vaccinated reduces the chance of getting an infection to pass on in the first place.

"...the authors compared the viral kinetics in breakthrough delta variant infections in vaccinated people with delta variant infections in unvaccinated people..."

09-12-2021 4:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293539#Comment_118293539

Rubbish. There are many reasons for getting the vaccine and there are many differences between getting vaccinated or not.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293924#Comment_118293924

Hmm, industry professionals ignoring best practice and safety standards within that industry would NEVER qualify from their chosen field if they showed a similar disregard for for industry standard in ANY other field. Imagine an electrician trying to get bread out of a toaster with a knife, or a gas repair fella smoking as he stood over your boiler......

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293940#Comment_118293940

Not about whether or not they can catch it, but how badly they catch it and how bad it is when they pass it on. They're also much more likely to be around other unvaxed or those who cannot be vaxed, therefore need to do what their boss/contract says. If they don't want to comply, then GTFO and find another job.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293971#Comment_118293971

Again, a startling display of ignorance of the issues at hand. You really should learn more about a subject before spouting the above, ill-informed, undereducated drivel. You're just lashing out soundbites at this stage.

09-12-2021 4:23pm

So, they say they have taken all vaccines that were required before they started, no issues with that obviously. But now won't take newly ordered vaccines?

Perhaps if they were working in hospitality, or couldn't take a vaccine for health reasons, they may have a case, but they intend to work in healthcare, where some vaccines are mandatory?

Chancers.

magicbastarder · 09-12-2021 4:37pm

one funny part in that the gofundme, the blurb describes them as 'brave' (in allcaps, too). and it's clear it's written by them.

growleaves · 09-12-2021 4:54pm

Physiotherapists and midwives can work privately, they don't need to be in the hospital system.

Covid vaccines aren't mandatory for hospital workers (yet) and even if they were these girls could work somewhere else.

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