Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

It wasn't a lazy claim as it's what any expert on TV, radio or the press this week has said. The filters are not a silver bullet. They are secondary to or, at best complimentary to, good ventilation. You're the one with lazy deflections - tantamount to the old "Link?" retort.

Right.

“Virtually all experts” was the claim. (Different to what you are saying).

No one can claim that, would you not agree?

Forget it. It's like trying to have a conversation with a bag of frogs.

You seem to have a preconceived notion that, for some strange reason, any experts who haven't spoken on the matter disagree with those who have.

I'll leave you to it because I've better things to do than ping pong with an illogical argument over semantic nonsense.

The article I posted was a different one to the one you posted, I clearly did not imply it was the same.

Really if you are going to claim rudeness, immaturity and trolling you need to at least clearly show where I misrepresented you.

Here are some of your replies to me in the past when I questioned your claim that Sweden treated far fewer elderly in ICU than Ireland (and linked to data showing they didn't).

"I have, you need to read the link now .Talk later :)"

"Yea they were great at their figures alright, I'll give them that .Shame if you want to know precisely you may have to go through them weekly week and work it out .Damn tedious ;)Over 65% elderly , as in over 65 years ,would point toa median of over 65 . Somebody good at maths here?"

I'd say that was a little rude, but didn't hurt my feelings.

"What I said was anyone in ICU with Covid was very sick with it, no matter how they got it" - yes this was what I was asking. I had missed the report from NOCA published 4th November this year, where they say that 7% were admitted for non-Covid reasons. That answers one of my questions (although I would like to know the current percentage rather than a blanket percentage covering May 2020 to October 2021 - I suspect I won't know that though, unless I'm writing a paper and apply for access to that data).

So there are a small few asymptomatic patients in ICU along with non-nationals and perhaps other marginalised groups. This data is important to me because I don't believe excluding those who refuse the vaccine from participating in everyday life (should that come about here, and there is some call for it), is morally right and warrants a complete picture before it's endorsed.

There's no patient consent procedure involved in releasing that data - if you read the link I posted you'll see that all patient data, once identifying information is removed, is available to those granted access. I read all of the data released to the general public and my questions relate to those data not released.

You don't need to read or even respond to my posts, I'll restate that I have nothing but respect for healthcare workers - but I'll continue to question, we all should.

Good to see this thread so quiet, people are moving on even if the gov wont.

They're on the weather Forum complaining about unnecessary orange warnings and met eireann telling the government what schools can or can't open and government telling us what is or isn't safe.

Read the piece. They have to inform, not seek permission or approval.

They won't be able to ambush the Cabinet quite so deftly.

Has there only been 1 case of omicron in Ireland?

For me it’s not really an issue of Covid Pass, although I personally believe it’s not fit for purpose - there was possibly a rationale for it while we were waiting on rollout to finish, but that’s just my opinion. It’s the case now that Covid positive people are gaining access to indoor facilities and spreading Covid unwittingly as they are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic.

Yes you’re right there is an issue with numbers of unvaccinated disproportionately represented in ICU, and if pressure is on ICU then governments will take action - with/because of Covid really has no bearing on that.

But for me, before we go down the road of mandatory vaccination, or excluding the unvaccinated more than currently, I would like the full picture on what those steps will do to mitigate the situation. To me they are drastic solutions and will adversely affect the disadvantaged mostly.

I’ll make no apologies for being increasingly mistrustful of information from official sources, but there have been too many instances when information is presented (by media and government) with an agenda (fear to fuel compliance), and after the fact a clearer picture of information comes to light - but is ignored because the situation has moved on and focus shifted.

Such a poorly written article and a complete lack of understanding of the small study

It's times like this that testing and sequencing becomes important isn't it.

This thread is also interesting:

Don't worry, if there was you would be hearing how good their health was prior to infection.