Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

The same studies showing that the period of infectiousness and time sick were lower for the vaccinated and that there is an effect at all in the home environment where exposure would be well beyond the 15 minutes and closer than 1/2 metres recommended otherwise as well as the real world R rate being much lower. If you're going to clarify, bring all of the data into it not just cherry picking the bits to try and support your argument as it detracts even from the good points you make, everyone reading will now be thinking what you're leaving out of future posts because they don't match that narrative.

I disagree. There are plenty of people who have missed cancer screenings cos of this, and people who have developed or worsened mental health conditions.

Even outside of that, what we did to the construction industry during this will result in more homeless. There are people who've had to hold off on getting married, finding relationships, starting families due to all of this. There are people who are financially ruined through this by what's been done to their jobs or companies. People who might not have been able to travel home to say goodbye to dying family members.

Its not just we closed some pubs and that's it. All of the above is lives being ruined imo.

You do of course understand then that those in charge can't have a plan of "leave people die".

Both medically and politically it's absolutely not a path they can take.

Don't they say that in all all walks of life there is always a certain percentage of the population that won't comply? Comply is the wrong word for me anyway as I don't feel vaccines should be mandatory (I personally favour them before someone jumps down my throat).

People can keep demonising and lambasting those who refuse to be vaccinated but it's ultimately pointless. You won't convince everybody and trying to do so indefinitely is a waste of time. In any case it was never part of the deal for everybody to be vaccinated. The aim was that a vaccinated person would be sufficiently protected so that he or she need not worry if they actually did catch covid. As the vaccines are proving to have a much lesser effect than we all hoped they would, panic and fear is striking. When this happens the worst of people comes to the fore, including imo, the demonisation of these so called anti-vax people.

The main thing is that it's unrealistic to think that everybody can or will be convinced to get a jab without coercing them. The only way to get close to achieving this would be to push and encroach on personal freedoms to such a degree that a point is reached where there is little choice left for people if they want to have any real quality of life on a day to day basis (we can argue that we are heading that way).

Personally it's not something I am comfortable with and even in such a scenario there would still be outliers. Plus 94 percent. How much better do we expect to get than that?

Yes, I'm aware of that. At least they can't say it publicly anyway. I'd rather we had a country designed for young people to thrive rather than old people to survive though myself.

Not so sure that’s true. Moving elderly out of hospital and back to nursing homes without testing them for Covid first looks quite like a plan to “leave people die.”

Any other illnesses you’d opt to let people die from, or just covid ? No government will ever go that route.

True and that will likely result in an inquiry or tribunal once we're through all this.

I think we've done as much as we can in getting people vaccinated, the 92% of adults number is unlikely to change much even if it became mandatory.

That doesn't mean the COVID cert can be dropped as long as the unvaccinated are putting a disproportionate amount of pressure on the health system, when the number is 1:1 (or close) it can be dropped.

Urm what's exponential by its very definition?

Not that graph anyway

Why are we still persisting with 10 day isolation for close contacts? In fact, even for people who test positive 10 days is a very long time. Hasn't it been shown that vaccinated people shed less and for a shorter time frame?

We need to start updating some of this advice because we can't run a functional society with silly rules like these in place.

Poster didn't bother reading it obviously,76% of admitted patients didn't even know they had it,less on ventilation than delta and discharged alot faster.more positive news than anything else

Reading this thread in an airport waiting to board my flight to Dublin. Seriously depressing. Pubs nightclubs friends theatre restaurants all normal here, and to be fair almost all places, true some countries also have a lockdown, but it’s temporary, and they all had a normal summer unlike Ireland.

am I understanding it right; hospitalisation has been falling steadily for 2 weeks and Ireland is going back into its lockdown? (Although we never really got fully out of the last lockdown) and the people are ok with that?