Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

I think you missed the point completely. First off we would need to staff those ICU beds - we don't have the numbers for properly trained staff, if we just increased the number of beds and call them ICU it would not be the same at all, there is a big difference. A properly fitted out ICU and the fully trained staff is what keeps people alive in an ICU - the staff and equipment is what keeps you alive not just the equipment or vice versa. Secondly we don't have the money to staff and stock all those ICU beds. Thirdly Ireland is not as densely populated as Berlin - Ireland being mostly urban in density. The number of ICU beds could have and should have been doubled 5+ years ago, instead people sit and wait on a trolley most time just for a normal hospital admission. These restrictions are entirely in the realm of necessary, however they should have been implemented months ago as numbers were out of control then! Nightclubs most definitely should not have been aloud to open in the capacity that they did (all at once) - the message there was... 'well most people are vaccinated there is nothing to worry about if you have a certificate' now they're back tracking again because the inevitable of a new unknown means their "numbers" of acceptable loses (as in people) might need to be recalculated. The reason why Berlin has worse restrictions is because it is far more densely populated - I agree the world has gone nuts, in that sense it is mostly not able to critically think about the issue at hand - with the exception of countries that do have a clear role in their leadership, as in have the foresight to see what to do next and how to handle this crisis instead of just winging it off the backs of its people; including deaths, avoidable unemployment with the aid of re-employment in a different role which would be based on an individuals 'other' skillsets and or anticipating what to do, as opposed to learning from mistakes.

I know! It is pretty clear that the outrage of these reintroduced restrictions is based on selfish decisions, people are are venting about themselves when they need to be worrying about other people potentially killing their loved ones which is true with any variant of this, vaccinated or not from family to family. Until more data is known about what way this variant does effect the situation the worst thing you can imagine can be what may happen, on the other hand that potential is only true until it is not just like every logic so cautious awareness is what we can and should be falling back on; that cautious awareness has been completely missing from most of society as of late.

Tbf the issue is we don't know many doses the covid vaccine will be. It's safe after 2 or 3, is it safe after 4,5,6 etc. How many times will we be getting it, how long does each dose last for, are there any long term side effects, how safe is mixing doses of different vaccines (both the ones we have now and the ones not developed yet). Theres a lot unknown, a lot of what we're doing is a large scale human trial here tbh.

Words have meanings, which I'm sure you can appreciate. Now, with that little titbit out of the way, I'm sure you'll agree they are not the same. The one you mentioned is a three dose vaccine. We have no idea how many doses are required with amy of the current ones. We are moving on to our third, Israel on to their fourth, etc, etc.

If you don't want it don't take it. I wont be coming around to your house trying to jab you. I just answered your original question.

As I said there is a vaccine thread you can ask your questions there. I was just replying to the OP showing that some vaccines do require multiple doses nothing more nothing less.

And I appreciate that. It's not comparing like with like but I'll leave it there.

Probably not a bad take in all fairness. The danger is that governments panic and start giving another round of boosters for each wave we get. Would be great if the government actually believed in the vaccines though.

The first paragraph here made me laugh out loud !

Such trust in your doctor😁

Jeez.

Believe it or not, that is not ..the first thing most people would do!

@ Nu man in town ..Speaking of 'experts '! Hardyn ..

And Martina 1991 ,

The Dazzler ,

Just to mention a few.

But like the guy who said the first thing he'd be doing if he got a diagnosis of terminal cancer was getting a second opinion, I suppose anybody here or anywhere else in the world , that expresses an opinion based on their knowledge or experience , would be ignored or ridiculed , just because it doesn't go along with what the lads on boards think !

Remember the big scare about India and their hospitals?

Most got the virus, the country survived and their cases are now very low.

They didn't try to run and hide from the virus.

Someone needs to offer a different opinion to NHPET.

All they have is run and hide even with 93% fully vaccinated.

Pathetic shower.

Source for the 454 fig?

Edit. Its on the HSE website.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/coronavirus-daily-operations-updates.html

The guy off screen on RTE this evening also said "we are not all in this together"

The woman walking past also said something that wasnt praise. I have to say it was good to hear.

You come on here, which I dont do all that regularly as tbh a lot of the time the condescending cack spouted by some of the posters who haven't lost a pennies wage in this whole debacle but want accolades and thanks, quite frankly boils my p155, and you really wonder? How did we allow certain sectors to get wage after wage, unquestioned irregardless of the quality of their work, their attendance, their bonuses....etc etc? I used to laugh at social welfare threads on here and the claims of "entitlement" (which no doubt there is some of that within it). But the MOST entitled sectors of society have to be, without a shadow of a doubt, the public sector employees and the other sectors who without a doubt are complicit in fueling this covid issue, because they still get paid. Lots of vested interest in keeping this going.

I wasn't even going to bother posting as I now feel, "Whats the point" but maybe if it makes one person think twice, it will be worth it(highly doubt it as its boards but anyway, here goes)

One of my oldest friends started a catering company 6 years ago. When I say "company" it was her and 2 employees after a while, not exactly huge. She was a single mother at the time(working btw)but wanted more. She worked her absolute balls off, and all credit to her. It was a great success. She had a lot of work due to her care and dedication to something that she built with her own two hands, through sleepless nights, 20hr days, time away from her children and sacrifice after sacrifice. Not Range Rover in the garden success, but bills paid on time and no worry if kids need braces type success. You know, normal people success.

Not going to go on much longer but we met up 2 weeks ago for a coffee. She was a shadow of herself. Dramatic weight loss, black circles, thinning hair. The works. She looked broken. We spoke. She told me that any more fear spreading from the powers that be will be the ruin of her. People were cancelling left right and centre(she would do a lot of office spreads etc). Every penny she had made had gone into keeping the business afloat. She was tapped out.

Got a text from her at 6.30 ish this eve. It said "Thats it. They have hammered the last nail in"

Have rang her. No reply.

This is the reality