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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭accensi0n




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,058 ✭✭✭✭fits


    We aren’t England though. Their gigantic infection levels and fatality rates meant they were in a different position in July. And no I wouldn’t swap with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    At the back of this is an obsessive fear of the health system collapsing, it won't. NPHET too seem to have convinced themselves their models are gospel, even if nobody else is. They do look like they are convinced that 400,000 cases are coming this month and that is where these well-considered pieces of advice are coming from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    you would rather wear masks in public settings, than not?!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Pat kenny on once again masks on all kids.we’re fucked as a country and the problems coming down the line for the next decade will be horrendous.shame on us for putting up with this bs.the frightened Irish replacing the fighting irish



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I think he's suffering long term damage from the pandemic.


    He's lost any common sense at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Presumably he's referring to them having nearly twice as many deaths per capita overall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I think what they mean is that if masks are the cost of having half the death rate of the UK, then it seems like a good deal. Also, they have a complete moron at the head of the government and a cabinet full of sociopaths.

    So no, I wouldn't swap with the UK either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,464 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    He's lost the plot completely. All kids to be masked up is his daily mantra at this stage.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Have you been in England recently? People going about their lives, no wall to wall Covid talk, people have just moved on. It’s a much nicer place to be than the misery fest we have got ourselves stuck in here. There has been some minor measures introduced recently but these will likely be lifted if there’s no increase in risk from the new variant

    A much better life than the wall to wall NPHET/Covid/variant/hospital numbers we have here.



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  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is society these days judged solely on the number of COVID deaths a country has? Is this what life has become? Perhaps in Ireland.

    England were more than happy to admit that they made mistakes early on but they still do everything they possibly can to keep life as normal as possible for their citizens because they value their freedom. They know that COVID is 1 issue.

    And thankfully they allow many Irish to experience weekends of freedom also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,464 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Is society these days judged solely on the number of COVID deaths a country has? Is this what life has become? Perhaps in Ireland.

    Absolutely this is how it is. You can see it on here boards. Any time the UK or Sweden etc are mentioned you'll have posters going on about how their death rate is way worse than Ireland and shur aren't we great here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,135 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    "I don't recognise this court!"

    "Why not?"

    "You've had it decorated!"


    I miss Morecambe & Wise



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    And in the UK there isn’t widespread encouragement of severe and damaging social restrictions in order to cover up years of mismanagement in the HSE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hospitals down 1 at 578.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    What's bizarre is how some people judge a country's response to a pandemic entirely based on the existence of restrictions. No restrictions == doing great. Any restrictions == failing.

    Let's just ignore economic stability and people dying, the most important thing is ensuring that nobody wears a piece of cloth over their mouth and nose.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Who would have thought that in 2020/2021 Irish people would be travelling to England just to experience and enjoy some freedom...

    Including our future taoiseach of all people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Disappointing hospital numbers. Up two to 578 Down 1 (!) since yesterday.

    Discharges are still very high, but we've had two days in a row of high admissions. Can't really blame hospital outbreaks either, they're high in admissions too.

    Could be a blip, or last week could be the blip.

    [Edit: boo-boo]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    I really don’t think the government thought it would last this long that’s why they went with the PUP and wait for vaccination.

    But that policy didn’t work as they planned and now they are broke and still have a covid issue. So now they need to be seen to do something anything. But while this is happening the subsidies for the hospitality sector run out today, PUP has been reduced, Antigen tests won’t be subsidised, no filters in the schools, no extra ICU that was promised until next year.


    We we’re so cautious we kept restrictions right through summer and opened in winter two years in a row and all of this is excepted by people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I wouldn't say we're broke. Economy is the second fastest-growing in the EU and there's effectively too much money sloshing around world markets at the moment. Countries are practically being paid to take loans.

    The main issue as I see it is a government attempting to forge a path that won't trigger a general election. A new lockdown is the end of this government. Even the reintroduction of real restrictions could do it; like closing pubs.

    They know that if hospitals get overwhelmed then they are morally/socially/humanely required to introduce restrictions one way or another regardless of the political fallout. But they want to do absolutely everything they can to avoid that. Which is why we have this absurd clipping away at the edges in the vain hope that it'll be enough to avoid real restrictions.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We have insane levels of national debt at the moment. Running up a huge tab on the credit card always ends in tears



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭Pigeon Chaser


    Yep, Pat Kenny has lost the plot completely. Unfortunate, because I used to enjoy listening to him.


    Today he proclaimed it was unfortunate that members of cabinet were most likely too busy to listen to his radio show and are missing out on valuable expertise from Luke O'Neill and Kingston Mills as a consequence.


    At least it raised a chuckle for me. And no, he wasn't saying that tongue in cheek.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭The Nu man in town


    Its not about doing great or failing.

    Stupid restrictions like wear a mask in crowded spaces outdoors.

    Close pubs half an hour early. 6 to a table then 10 to a table but you can book multiple tables. Not a peep about this restriction being obeyed or enforced. The media are just jumping all over children and Omicron.

    €9 meal (the second time, it was clear after the first effort it wasn't a runner)

    Closing forest parks.

    Was talking to a lad the other day who supplies leisure products which would be frowned on being delivered during lockdown. Cops kept stopping his branded van so he switched to a jeep and cow box, drove all over the country and never got stopped.

    The list of idiotic stuff is endless.

    Absolute sh1tshow this country is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭The Nu man in town


    Realistically NPHET need to be seeing ICU's trending towards 150 this week and 200 next week to remain credible.

    Thankfully its not looking good for NPHET right now.

    Unfortunately anything over 100 in ICU keeps the propaganda wing of the NPHET organisation in the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Denying a child his/her education because they won’t wear a mask! Absolutely rotten to the core our government and NPHET are. A bunch rotten cretins!!





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    I’d agree with that as well and there is a lot of money around but when you are spending billions on PUP and subsidies that “free” money won’t last long. Hence why they are all been dropped now and not been carried on even though hospitality still has restrictions.

    My own personal opinion is that we will have these restrictions over the winter months but will be opened much quicker then last year and any restrictions that get brought in from then on in will be minor and area specific without lockdowns until we eventually just get on with living with covid and it’s not on the headlines every day.

    Kind of like how England are doing it at the moment.

    We will know when this is getting close when you see the media turning against the government policies when they realise the tide is changing their narrative will change to. At the moment their is nothing but covid covid covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭The Nu man in town


    This childrens lockdown is the absolute low point of this.

    At a time when trends are going the right way its sick. And cheerleaded by so many.

    The number of Covid-19 patients in most Munster hospitals dropped over the past week, despite case numbers remaining stubbornly high nationally.

    University Hospital Limerick had 56 Covid patients one week ago, but this had dropped to 39 by Monday. At Cork University Hospital, cases dropped from 32 to 28 over the same period, while at University Hospital Kerry, Covid patient numbers fell from 22 to 17.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Only to NPHET. We've had thousands of daily cases for months. Every day that we don't get anywhere near their models is a day when we are not going to see the health system collapse.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Yip, it’s sick! But you’ve plenty of people cheerleading for these measures! Some are just pure and utter butters with fear that knows no bounds!! Like this one here here, she disappeared for a while off twitter put reappeared lately with the doom of all dooms day tweets!! Looks like to me she let her guard down and is blaming everyone else!!




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