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The Beatles: Get Back

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  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    George’s tragedy was that he was one of the best songwriters of the era, but the third best in the Beatles.

    my God though, the workload. They were supposed to record an album of new songs and play the songs live by the 20th Jan, starting on the 2nd jan, which was a Thursday. By the time they were settling into the Monday of their first full week ( Jan 6) they had just two weeks to do it. Madness.

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  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Also I was surprised how little George Martin was involved in the day to day. Maybe that was because the album was supposed to be recorded live.



  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Small observation : they don't curse.

    No one seems to curse, a room full of men under pressure and no verbal obscenities.

    Have things changed so much or are my circles especially crude?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Yeah, thought that was amazing too. “Here’s one I wrote last night, what do you think ?” Then launches into a pretty fully formed I Me Mine. Fascinating, as was McCartney with fledgling versions of Let it Be, Long and Winding Road (with Mal Evans helping him with the lyrics !) Two of Us and Another Day. Not to mention the evolution of Get Back and a couple of tunes that ended up on Abbey Road, She Came in Through Bathroom Window and Golden Slumbers. What was striking was the emergence of George (All Things Must Pass has been mentioned already) and the relatively meagre contribution of Lennon (so far, have only watched episode) All we’ve really heard from him so far is Gimme Some Truth, Don’t Let Me Down and his part in I’ve Got a Feeling (Loved Georges sarky “Is this one called I’ve Got a Feeling ?”). McCartney by contrast was right at the top of his game and in the middle of a purple patch. (We’ll excuse him Maxwells Silver Hammer !)

    Interesting too that while we’ve heard so much about Yokos presence over the years ( and you can see how much it must have annoyed the others- Christ, the bit where she joins in on “vocals”) she wasn’t the only one hanging around. George had a couple of his Hari Krishna buddies there, and Linda also makes an appearance.

    Lyndsey Hoggs fixation with Libya was amusing alright, and some of the suggestions, such as playing on a cruise ship and bring a boatload of Brits over with them were bonkers.

    The bit with Dick James talking about buying publishing for Northern songs was interesting too, given what later transpired. He seemed like a real snake oil salesman and you could see that the band were barely tolerating him, McCartney particularly.

    I’m lapping it up anyway. Someone earlier mentioned the casual viewer, but frankly, to hell with him (or her) 😀 This is for us Beatles nerds



  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yoko seemed fairly harmless to me. That time on the microphone was her and John playing around. Otherwise I don’t see her breaking up the Beatles. In fact at the end of episode 2 they are all getting along very well. George is happy with Apple studios, unlike Twickenham.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,195 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Just started episode 2.

    I'm amazed by some of the footage: McCartney sitting in silent thought contemplating the potential break up of the band, his eyes glassy with tears.

    And the captured conversation between Lennon and McCartney is revalatory: "You were always the boss and I was the secondary boss."

    I'm glad this exists this way. It's not a film as such, more a historical document.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    McCartney sitting in silent thought contemplating the potential break up of the band, his eyes glassy with tears.

    If you watch it again he's actually physically shaking and chewing his thumb trying to keep a lid on it.

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    Just after he says: And then there were two(just him and Ringo). That got me in the feelz I have to admit.

    Of all of them(with Ringo behind him) he comes across as the most "Beatle". The one who is most invested in it and them as a group and as friends and as a creative outlet. I think it was Keith Richards who described them as a four headed monster. You got one, you got them all. That in interviews and even chats it was usually "we" before "me". Later on you can see him really trying to connect with Lennon over their shared hippies in India thing.

    I remember reading of the immediate aftermath after the split and him getting into a very dark place and drinking his woes away and Linda trying to get him to snap out of it. Lennon in particular was a nasty petty little prick during that time, constantly needling McCartney in public and private and telling George Martin he was a hack and that he didn't like any of his songs the way they were recorded in the Beatles. George mostly stayed out of that and Ringo, well he has said he thought for a good while they would get back together and he'd get a phonecall outa the blue and that he felt it was never really truly official, even with the lawsuits and rancour. Looking back that McCartney reconnected with Lennon a few years later* surprises me. I reckon I'd have kicked the conceited twats head in TBH. IMHO anyway I reckon he had some level of forgiveness in his heart that's for sure. I also reckon that if Lennon had said in 75 say "let's do another album as us" he'd have jumped at it. Though I am glad they did get something like a friendship going again before Lennon was murdered.




    *when Yoko was temporarily out of the picture. When she came back it wasn't long before face to face contact slowly became frowned upon. While I don't think she "split up the Beatles" it's pretty clear she was very much the controlling sort and didn't like anyone too close to Lennon. She took a fair bit of control of his finances and "paid" him a wage so he could buy fags and such. Hell, when he got tired of her she arranged for another Japanese lass she knew to be his mistress. Woooooooo. 😮 Lennon was a seriously talented man, an actual bona fide genius, but a very bad judge of character it seems. I'd bet the farm that if that sadsack hadn't killed him he'd have divorced her.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    They were wll used it to be fair. Their workload was crazy and not just them, guys like the Stones were similar. It was an actual "job" with "art" on top. This was way before successful bands were allowed to be indulgent. They had to churn out at least one album a year, more like two and regular singles, that until the late 60's were separate to albums. This was in the contract. The first two songs they laid down for Sgt Pepper were Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields Forever, but they were grabbed as singles and weren't included on the album because of that. Sgt Pepper took six months to record. And this wasn't modern band "six months"(more like a couple of years) where they come in a few weeks at the end and lay down the tracks they've come up with in the interim that mostly sound like each other, because you don't want the fans to get confused. They were there, five, often six days a week, 14 hour plus days into the early morning for an actual six months until they got it right. Never mind George Martin and the engineers being there with them throughout. Indeed at the time the papers were wondering what the hell was taking them so long and were they splitting up. Six months to make a record? What the hell?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭pah


    I've heard a handful in the first episode, 2 or 3 maybe but yeah, I can't get through a 5minute catchup without every other fukking word being a swear



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    I loved how polite the people were when they were being interviewed about what they thought of the live music even if they didn’t like it.


    Also the police officer was so funny, All I could think was man if he could see the world today a band playing on the roof would be a nice break from everything else the police face today.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,630 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu



    according to (the brilliant) Revolution in the Head, George Martin was never keen on the live and unembellished idea of the sessions and reckoned they'd be a bit of a nightmare to produce, so he delegated it to Glyn Johns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    I agree re Lindsay-Hogg (Irish actress mum btw and his passport is ours - and after years of rumours her friends confirmed that he was Orson Welles' son after her death) but we've got to give him credit for getting all that work done, particularly the filming for the rooftop gig. Amazing work having all those cameras on the Apple roof alongside the other roof, the street stuff and the hidden one for the hapless police. They got every angle you'd possibly want to cover that event.

    And btw George Martin sounds posh but isn't. He grew up during the great depression in a house in Highbury without electricity and running water, his mum a maid and his dad a carpenter in and out of work. He did well at school and became a Royal Navy officer during World War II. I guess he altered his accent to fit in with the posh officers but had much more in common with The Beatles than many others they dealt with. Far less posh than John Lennon for starters. And how suave does he always look? In this doc, as always, he comes across as the consummate gentleman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    After watching that who would you most like to have a pint with?

    1. Macca. From all the reports I've ever heard a lovely bloke, remembers the name of the tea ladies at the radio stations he goes to, humble, smart and makes the effort with people. At the time of the doc he was clearly the force behind the band.
    2. Ringo. Chilled and likeable. The footage shows him as friendlier to the outsiders than the rest.
    3. George. Sullen and narky but mainly due to him pushing for greater involvement.
    4. John. Too much goofing around, most of it unfunny. Snarky and lacking charm. Plus he'd have his appendage with him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,880 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Would suggest giving All Things Must Pass a listen (loud) after watching the doc. Havent really listened to it in a few years but it really brings a lot of stuff into focus. Totally different album after seeing the doc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,630 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    watched the first part last night, and it's incredible. Looks amazing - they've done a fantastic job on the restoration. But the main thing is seeing all these stories and bits of information about the sessions and the songs that I've read in books etc actually playing out live on the screen.

    Also the amount of collaboration on songs that have generally been designated the work of one or other of the Beatles. Obviously the scene where Macca comes up with the basics of Get Back has been widely shared, but pretty much every song was brought in only about 20% written and then worked out in the studio with the other members contributing ideas and lyrics (including Glyn Johns and Mal Evans). The amount of creativity is incredible - as well as the songs for "Let It Be", they're pulling out songs that ended up on "Abbey Road" and various early solo albums; songs they wrote as teenagers, ragged run throughs of covers from every genre, jamming on their old hits etc.

    It really is the Paul show though, he's the one driving the whole thing forward, encouraging the others to up their game, often to their visual annoyance. Lennon is very sharp when he can be bothered but a lot of the time he's only half-engaged with the process. Both Paul and John consistently treat the other two as junior partners; despite George being the only member arriving with properly written songs.

    As a mediocre musician, I also loved the scenes of them showing each other how to play different bits and pieces - George explaining a bass part to John (because Paul was playing piano on Let it Be); George demonstrating some licks he'd learned from "Eric" etc.

    However, if you're not a Beatles nerd or a music obsessive I wonder how accessible this is across 9 hours. As they launch in a 10th half-assed run through of Two of Us I can see how some people might start to get bored. Not me though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,630 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    There's a touching moment early in the first part where George is telling Paul how great it is for him to be involved in the creative process of getting the songs together and that prior to the previous album (the White Album I guess) he hadn't been that involved. Paul just shrugs.

    George obviously idolised John and Paul and really want to work more closely with them on his and their songs, but they were only interested in working with each other and begrudgingly allowed George a couple of songs per album.

    I saw a later interview with George where it was suggested that Paul may want to write some songs with him (this was around the time Paul was collaborating with Elvis Costello). George answered to the effect that Paul had had 30 years to ask him to write a song and he wasn't going to start now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Watched part 3 last night.

    A thoroughly enthralling watch from start to finish. Those expecting a documentary in the general sense of the term will be disappointed I feel but for fans of the band, its an absolute cornucopia of the best band of all time. A tremendously poignant watch, particularly the last hour, it encapsulates what the Beatles were, pure lightning in a bottle. You could see that it was Paul that loved performing most, he was utterly enthused, to the point of looking like a giddy school girl by times when they were on the rooftop. It was also heartbreaking to hear him speak afterwards and how that he felt at the time was that this was a precursor to something much grander. Alas, that never materialised. There was nothing like them before and there will be nothing like them ever again, a band that in 7 years released 13 studio albums and a plethora of singles, a band that captured the imagination of entire generations across the globe. A brilliant watch and one that I will revisit again for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,880 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    I actually found the entire thing quite surreal. Amazed how creative yet loose everything was and how it all came together so quickly. Basically the making of Let It Be and most of Abbey Road. In 22 days. From scractch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Brilliant points but may I disagree with one. Paul saw this as a ‘precursor to something grander.’ And it was, Abbey Road possibly their greatest achievement. But yes, there could have been so much more at the rate they were going. Their7/8 years completely overwhelming the decades of work of all other artists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,895 ✭✭✭cml387


    Does anyone know if this will be available on Blu Ray?


    The comment about George Martin delegating to Glynn Johns is true, but also because he was fed up with their antics in the studio.

    Remember he had been told by John that this next album (the "live" album) was going to have "none of your trickery".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,880 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Probably will get a Blueray release but not for a while as theres defo a clause in there with Disney about exclusivity etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    I meant in the sense of grander onstage performances rather than just purely musical output.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,195 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    That's an aspect of it that has stood out to me as well - the level of co-operation that was going on during the making of certain tunes which are thought of as almost "solo" works - that they really were a team, as dysfunctional as they can appear at times.

    I'm a big fan of Revolution in The Head, probably the best book about the band - I tell everyone to read it - but it made me realise that a lot of the nitty gritty about what went down in the studio was definitely different to Ian McDonald's speculations. Great book though all the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Just on associated books. I got "The Lyrics" by McCartney a couple of weeks back. Almost finished A - L. Its a brilliant read, alot of anecdotes about the songs, the thought processes behind them, the collaborations etc. Loads of unseen photos too, alot taken by Linda. Highly recommended. You can get it on Amazon for around €60 or thereabouts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Ah yeah, of course. and such a pity we were denied those moments. I know the Libya thing sounded daft but how cool would that footage have been with an audience? In many ways though it's nice to have seen them burn out rather than fade away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭homerun_homer


    I was going to say Mal Evans! I read up on him on wiki after and while most of his life story with the Beatles sounds like great craic (he lived with different members at different times, went on holidays with them and the name Sgt Pepper came off the back of him), post the Beatles gets a bit depressing. They would never give him a raise for all his years working with them, even though he would have got promotions over time. He was struggling with debts and his wife left him. He was depressed in L.A. during this time while finishing his memoirs about his time with the Beatles. He had picked up an air rifle and the cops were called. They shot and killed him. None of the Beatles were at his funeral.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    That makes them sound bad and it's far from the truth. Post-Beatles he was given writing credits on tracks by George and Ringo and was given production work at Apple. Never cut off from the band and he had a prodigious appetite for drink and drugs which may explain the debt. His wife left him cos he was already living with another woman and regularly inebriated. He was fired from Apple by Klein but The Beatles reinstated him.

    Maybe he could have been paid more but he was paid the same as press officer Tony Barrow according to Apple documentation "during the early sixties his salary was 25 pounds/week. Eventually, this would increase to 38 pounds (or about $900/week in today’s money)by ‘67. So, Mal was making 1,976 pounds/year by 1967. In ’65, the avg worker in England made 890/year. By ‘70, the avg clerk was making about 1200/year. By comparison, the average mgt exec made 2100. So, comparatively speaking, Mal made 2x what the avg. British worker made, about 40% more than avg clerks. And not quite as much as an exec. So, as a 30 yo guy, Evans was an handsomely overpaid clerk or was equivalent to the low end of a manager/executive’s salary."

    He would also have made a great deal more had he completed the book he was writing on his time with the band. His publishers were expecting it the week after he died. Maybe he was stressed as struggling with it, makes sense as no draft was ever seen. His family are busy working on a biography which will be out in 2023. After that his diaries and archives will be released.

    He was killed on the night of 5 January 1976 and cremated in LA less than 36 hours later. Maybe they could have gone to the funeral, maybe they couldn't get there in time. Who knows? For a variety of reasons I've not been able to attend funerals I really wanted to pay my respects at.

    Harrison sent money to his family and possibly the others did something also. And what a time he had, travelling the world, meeting Elvis, Wilson and Dylan. Like all the Beatles and their entourage life after 1970 would never match what went before. A decent man and a sad end to an interesting life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Just too much cash for me so ordered from my local library. Sounds brilliant and I'd trust Paul Muldoon to word it well, three years taken iin going oveer it with Macca. And how good would this launch have been?





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    He hand signed 175 copies of the book that were given away to various people in different ways.

    I've been watching them on ebay. Most expensive I saw sell went €10,600. Next one available will set you back €18k. I believe he said he will not sign anymore autographs again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,220 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Finished watching this on Saturday over a marathon 5 hour period.

    It. Is. Absolutely. Glorious. Simply Outstanding. (I'd be a big enough fan of The Beatles, but not a mega fan, that's reserved for Pink Floyd).

    Quite possibly the greatest documentary I've ever seen. It felt like at times I was there in the studio with them.

    There were moments, and I'm not afraid to admit, but there were moments where I was genuinely crying tears of joy. Like when the message would come up on screen that "This version appears on the album Let It Be" and then you knew, you were watching them perform the version of the song(s) that you've known your whole life.... Then they're doing the various versions of 'Get Back' and it's sounding tighter and tighter each time they do it, and you're thinking this is it, this is the one, this is the version, and then no its not, and they go again, and it gets even closer and closer.... and then that message pops up in yellow font.... It was just magical.

    So many moments of it brought so much joy, like when Billy Preston arrived and became that missing piece of the jigsaw, or the police men during the roof performances, and Paul's reaction to seeing them... or in episode 1, where they are showing John some concept images of what the live show might look like, and you hear Paul in the background working out the piano arrangement for 'Let it Be'.

    I turned 40 a few weeks ago, and from then til now, not much has gone on in my life..... in that same amount of time, they wrote & recorded Let It Be.

    I'll show this to my mother, she'll love it. I wish my dad was still around to see this, he'd have loved it.

    This has left a lasting impression on me, and I really hope it dispels any myths out there that the recording of 'Let it Be' was fractured and tension filled, which it seems couldn't be further from the truth. 4 lads on top of their game.

    Outstanding.



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