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The Omicron variant

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    All the squawking and bluster about Alpha last Christmas and people still haven't learned that by the time a much more contagious variant is discovered it's already seeded everywhere.

    Travel restrictions are pointless and fear won't help anyone.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    What is the point of MHQ? It won't work here in Ireland.


    Either everyone quarantines or don't bother at all. And we all know how it will work here, it will be people coming from the selected few African countries that will have to quarantine. Never mind that there's no direct flights and they can share a flight coming from Europe but Europeans are fine to go home and ignore the self isolation at home and head out to the pub to meet up with their mates for Christmas.


    Ah we never learn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,495 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yep and the SA virus experts will likely be more reluctant to share early data about future variants because the Sky led world completely overreacted.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭Lollipop95


    I really can’t understand the panic considering it’s not hospitalising people in South Africa and the doctors over there have stressed that it’s mild. The reaction just seems crazy and way too hasty.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    A doctor's tweet was taken out of context. It was mild in some people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    It wasn't taken out of context. "Mild in some people" suggests severe in others, and that is not thus far the case.

    Dr. Coetzee said that so far it presents mild disease with symptoms being sore muscles and tiredness for a day or two of not feeling well. Maybe a slight cough, but no reported loss of taste or smell. She's seen about two dozen people, mostly healthy men, half unvaccinated.

    She also said that it wasn't yet known how it would affect older people, those with additional underlying conditions, and that they wouldn't know for two to three weeks.

    She seemed confused as to why "so much hype" was being driven with so little information available.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 Mayfielder


    Unnamed Munster player goes down with Covid in South Africa.

    Team were due to fly back today on a chartered flight with Welsh sides Scarlets and Cardiff Rugby but have been sent back to their hotels to isolate.

    This could get messy as Munster due to travel to UK to play WASPS in a couple of weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Surely all the players will have to isolate at home for two weeks when they get back and no training allowed. That match will be called off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,220 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Mild in some people just suggests unknown in other people.


    It is wait and see (and err, if is is to err) on the side of extreme caution



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    It's potentially worse as they now probably have to isolate in SA for 10 days and hope no one else tests positive and further delays their return

    Then 2 weeks home quarantine when they get back

    So minimum 24 days before the players are available?



  • Posts: 24,009 ✭✭✭✭ Jaylee Salmon Rose


    This tweet looks encouraging, if it turns out to be the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    The doctor has done multiple interviews with the BBC and the Guardian. They're not being taken out of context.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    MHQ is a mechanism to allow people to return here, or to come here for an essential reason.


    On one extreme you could have the scenario where no additional restrictions are put in and anyone can just come in from anywhere and be free to do whatever.

    On the other extreme you can have a scenario where nobody is allowed in from those places. What that is doing would be simply to try to delay something getting an immediate foothold here. That gives time for systems to prepare and for more information to be learned

    MHQ tries to strike a balance between them. So that we can temporarily block off regular access while having a safer way of allowing those back in for whom it is essential



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,672 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    If it is confirmed then we want this variant to be the dominant one



  • Posts: 24,009 ✭✭✭✭ Jaylee Salmon Rose


    It would be great… if it is that mild… to almost let it rip. Although I say that with a great deal of apprehension.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Mango321


    '“We’re seeing a marked change in the demographic profile of patients with COVID-19,” Rudo Mathivha, head of the intensive care unit at Soweto’s Baragwanath Hospital, told an online press briefing.

    “Young people, in their 20s to just over their late 30s, are coming in with moderate to severe disease, some needing intensive care. About 65% are not vaccinated and most of the rest are only half-vaccinated,” said Mathivha. “I’m worried that as the numbers go up, the public health care facilities will become overwhelmed.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    I'm too terrified to even look in that thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    What we need is a protest, with some banners. Anyone got some crayons they could lend me, grrrrrrrrr.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    "the dominant" strain only means that we have managed to suppress the other one and not this one. It isn't that the "omicron" itself wipes out the "delta"..........unless you mean in the sense that it spreads more quickly ahead of it, infecting many others and giving them immunity against the delta



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭PicardWithHair


    But it wont be just those people from southern Africa that will need to MHQ ... as soon as they see the variant is everywhere it will be MHQ for all ... no matter whjere you are flying in from ...


    shambles, another Christmas ruined ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,396 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    If it is super contagious (or at least contagious enough to step over existing variants like Delta) and also mild, then that's a best-case scenario. Intervention in that case with restrictions etc would be counter productive. Let's see how it develops, it's impossible to know at this stage due to lack of data.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    The strong suggestion by Dr. Coetzee was that the cases she's seen so far have a milder disease profile than previous variants.

    While the effect on older and more vulnerable people is not yet known, there is no reason to believe that Omicron will be more severe in those groups than previous variants. It therefore makes little sense to recommend "extreme caution" above and beyond what people have already been doing in accordance with their personal level of acceptable risk.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    The capacity isn't there for everyone to do hotel quarantine. They will only pick African countries to do mandatory quarantine and forget about people sharing a plane with them.


    Shambles indeed. Same as Christmas 2020, allow everyone to come home, mingle in pubs and send them home to visit the grandparents. I only hope that doctor was right and this new variant is mild but it's too early to go on what they say and the small amount people they saw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭EmptyTree


    What action would you like to see a government take?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    What is it that you are in favour of though? It is easy to be the hurler on the ditch.

    Would you prefer that they close the borders to everyone? Is that your position? If you were put in charge for the next week, what would you do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Would you have said the same when it appearred first in Wuhan?

    Anyway maybe this Omicron will turn out to be much milder and could be a good thing but too early to say yet.

    Post edited by saabsaab on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    Could use common sense… if someone is fully vaccinated and has a clear PCR on departure and arrival they’re fine, no need to implement a MHQ system which will be a disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    Certainly not. I was a very early "watcher" and had supplies bought in long before the first case was detected in Ireland. I was admittedly taken in by the propaganda out of China that showed people collapsing dead in the streets, and despite the fact that I should have known better having been in intensive care units before, I allowed the fear porn cameras in a Lombardy ICU to scare me, too.

    And very quickly it became apparent that this was not the Captain Tripps it had been sold as.

    Fool me once, etc.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    I don't know what the answer is but MHQ should be for everyone. But that won't happen, I know that much.



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