Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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A thought came to me today when reading an article about children needing to get the vaccine.

It basically said that a large cohort of society isn't vaccinated, that its rife in schools and as long as they aren't vaccinated, we are going to struggle to contain the virus.

Now, thats all well and good and on a medical level they are more than likely correct. But I got to thinking, surely all these top medical folk in the world and in this country knew this would happen eventually, yet it was never mentioned in the last year? When they were all raving about our superb vaccination rate, not once did I hear anyone come on the media and say "you know this isn't going to work because the kids are unvaccinated".

It has only become a thing lately, when it was found that vaccinating 93% of the adults wasn't enough. The conspiracy nuts will be loving this on social media. They were all saying when the vaccines arrived, "they'll want your kids done next", and indeed they did. Now its looking like it will soon be approved for all age groups.

What is impossible about it? If 20% of unvaccinated and 5% of vaccinated got it, that is 400,000. If 1% of these went to hospital that is a problem.

The original variant was less transmissible and vaccinating three-quarters of the population as we have today would likely have stopped it. Delta is twice as transmissible and so three-quarters is not enough. This has always been discussed, but of course the conspiracy nuts only read their own nonsense.

But with context that Doctor is saying, young patients only have mild symptoms (fact), older unvaccinated paitents will have severe illness (opinion). So appears the original context was correct for now until more data is available.

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I haven't seen any epidemiologic analysis to support this, either that's it's particularly "rife" in primary schools or that if kids get vaccinated we'll achieve herd immunity (which seems to be what you're suggesting, unless you meant something else by "contain").

From what I recall of the data, there are large numbers of outbreaks in hospitals and nursing homes too. Are those going to disappear if we vaccinate primary school kids? What about crèches and other pre-school environments?

I've no ideological opposition to vaccinating kids but to think that it's the last barrier in the way to the sunlit uplands of COVID-free hospitals is magical thinking.

Relatedly, I recall that when anyone raised this issue of kids potentially being a reservoir of infection a number of people absolutely lost their sh!t.

Definitely not the fault of the vaccinators and I made sure to say that to the exhausted lady who gave it to me

In all fairness I was 3.5 hours in a queue in the freezing cold and didnt see a single person give out to staff there . We did have the odd moan among ourselves and a whinge about the HSE and their scandalous handling of City West appointments yesterday . They gave appointments and at the same time advertised for walk ins . Gave appointments to people who were not yet 5 months past the 2 nd dose and after queuing for two hours were told to go home .

Hopefully it’ll hold out and not go over 600 in the morning

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Hospital numbers virtually always rise at the weekend. Very few discharges.

It'll be up again tomorrow morning, but if it stays under 600 it's a great result.

What has been the rate of growth over the last two weeks? What is the profile of those in hospital? Age? Vaccination status?

What are you basing that on?

If you're under 70, healthy and vaccinated, your odds of being severely impacted by Covid are absolutely tiny. You're statistically more likely to be hit by car.

If you're over 70 but still vaccinated, it's no more dangerous really than most other illnesses you might pick up at that age.

No need for the fear.