"Green" policies are destroying this country

The Greens have caused immense damage to this countries environment thanks to their innate stupidity and ignorance, that's the point!

And all from being given a tiny sliver of power and time in which to wield it. The mind boggles as to how much more damage they could cause if given more influence over decision making and time to stuff up the country more than they already have.

Once bitten, twice shy.

Diesel emissions.

"Former Green minister regrets decision to promote diesel engines" https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/motors/2017/0405/865457-former-green-minister-regrets-decision-to-promote-diesel-engines/

And the gob-smackingly unbelievable bit is that 5 years later from that admission, they are still promoting diesel over petrol through the excise levy imballance.

For real?

Yes. How have the greens caused as you say emmense damage to the environment?

The Greens have increased air pollution in Ireland. The air we breath is part of the 'environment' - n'est-ce pas?

" 24 October 1997

By Fred Pearce

A COMPOUND discovered in the exhaust fumes of diesel engines may be the most strongly carcinogenic ever analysed, say Japanese researchers. They warn that a major source of the chemical is heavily loaded diesel engines, and that it could be partly responsible for the large number of lung cancer cases in cities.

The compound, 3-nitrobenzanthrone, produced the highest score ever reported in an Ames test, a standard measure of the cancer-causing potential of toxic chemicals. “I personally believe that the recent increase in the number of lung cancer patients in vehicle-congested areas is closely linked with respirable carcinogens such as 3-nitrobenzanthrone,” says Hitomi Suzuki, a chemist at Kyoto University who led the study.

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Tiny combustion particles, many of them from diesel exhausts, have been estimated to cause 10 000 deaths in Britain and 60 000 in the US each year (“Dying from too much dust”, New Scientist, 12 March 1994, p 12). Tony Seaton of the Aberdeen Royal Infirmary, a leading adviser on air pollution and health to the British government, says: “PAHs are known carcinogens and nitro-PAHs are probably the worst. This one seems to be new to us.”

I don't believe your pretense at not knowing the air quality issues with diesel exhausts is genuine and that you are engaged in a deliberate wind-up. So are you trying to deliberately wind me up or are you actually that ignorant of the topic?

You actually know better blanch. There is very little difference in attempting repatriation by force and attempting it using coercion. Politically a very slippery slope. Finding a way to eliminate the advantages of building on family land is not all about the site being free either. It may not be obvious to many of those living in cities who would not know which end of a cow to approach for milking, but those living on family land are often free labour when it comes to setting crops and harvesting, plus helping out with calving and lambing. That keeps the price of food lower, and there is also the distinct added advantage to the state in that with often elderly relations they provide care that would otherwise be a burden on the taxpayer.

In that context "True and full economic pricing should ensure that it happens naturally" comes across as again, nothing more than rhetoric without recognition of the economic practicalities.

So at this stage can we not just accept that climate change is happening with or without human input and instead prepare for what the effects of climate change will be?

can we even agree what the effects will be?

Massive damage via road construction and bog removal to enable the transport, erection and maintenance of gigantic industrial wind turbines. Vast amounts of concrete poured to stabilise same. Resulting bog bursts and landslides.

The green party put wind turbines up??

Says the poster who keeps complaining about ugly one-off housing destroying the countryside, unbelievable.

What?! Wind turbines produce energy and reduce the need for fossil fuels. One off housing is awful environmentally.

Do they have schools in rural Ireland? Are all of your houses too far from places of education?

Nothing compared to the damage done to bogs over centuries by local landowners and more recently Bord Na Mona.

I assume that in your concern to preserve bogs, you support a full ban on turf-cutting?

School bus provision and car trips to schools is another example of how dispersed rural settlement brings extra costs to the taxpayer and to the environment. In cities, there is very limited school bus provision because more kids walk and cycle to school.

"In Galway County (73.1%), Roscommon (72.7%), Kerry (70.8%) and Mayo (70.2%) more than seven in ten children travelled to school by car. At the other end of the scale, only 36 per cent of Dublin City children were driven to school, and less than half of children in Fingal and South Dublin.

The counties where walking to school was most common were Dublin City (45.9%), South Dublin (40.2%), Fingal (39.7%) and Cork City (38.7%), whereas the counties where students were least likely to walk were Roscommon (8.4%), Donegal (8.6%), Mayo (10%) and Galway County (10.3%).

The bus was the most popular form of school transport to primary school in Leitrim (25.5%), Donegal (24.4%) and Monaghan (20.5%), over one in five children used this form of transport. Conversely, only 3 per cent of Dún Laoghaire primary school students travelled by bus."

Pretty much QED.

With the walking to school initiatives in the cities, the numbers walking and cycling have only increased since then, further opening the gap between the environmental damage caused by rural living, compared to city living.

I have never owned a diesel powered car. For the last 15 years I have been paying the significantly higher taxes imposed on petrol vehicles, because I knew it was the right thing to do, even when the Greens and EPA didn't. I'd say it's nothing like the irony of an AGW denier doing more for the cleanliness of the environment than all the ignorant green morons who thought they were doing the right thing by driving diesels.

My stove was made in Norway from cast iron smelted using 100% CO2 free hydroelectricity. The stove is one of the very few whose emissions are clean enough that it satisfied Californian air quality standards legislation at the time I installed it.

I burn wood in the stove. I have about 7 hectares of woodland that removes CO2 from the air and turns it into trees, so more irony in that I and my stove would be net negative CO2.

Since you have attempted to deflect from the issue I raised, I take it as a tacit admission that you accept that the Green party is responsible for significant damage to Ireland's environment. That they did so out of sheer pig-ignorance is no defence. 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions' is too true.

I actually care a lot about the environment, I just think the CO2 obsession is fundamentally wrong and is distracting from far more significant and important environmental issues.

So the atmosphere is not part of the 'environment'? Incredible.

3-nitrobenzanthrone is an incredibly potent carcinogen. You must believe that humans are the only living creatures that breathe the air and which can develop cancers. Or is it that you don't actually give a toss about the environment and the non human life forms that live in it?