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General Rugby Discussion 3

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If I were World Rugby I'd increase the sanctions against Erasmus over that tweet. He clearly doesn't see himself as in the wrong and he is setting an appalling precedent for the game.

    Had issues with some of his antics historically, but have lost all respect for him now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭Rugbymad2020


    Maybe you all need to check the f t and read up on what’s happened and what’s the truth,like how the video was leaked from Australia not rassie,how all he’s points were correct and fact.bill beaumont needs to resign as world rugby are getting worse than FIFA.Picho was the man to take WR forward yet the old boys club put a stop to that.same as they saying it was a independent committee that sanctioned rassie???well we all know what WR independent committees are like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    I support the ban, and don't for one second think Berry was in any way biased - but...

    There has to be some realisation as a result of this controversy that there IS a fundamental problem with the game.

    At many (most?) rucks there are multiple infringements arguably occuring, and the referee has to make a decision which is essentially arbitrary. And, the cumulative effect of these arbitrary decisions often decides the game, especially between evenly-matched teams.

    I genuinely can't imagine a video of the type discussed here being possible in soccer, league or basketball etc. There simply isn't the scope for interpretation and disagreement. The wider that scope is, and the higher the stakes are, the harder it will be to maintain the attitude that the referee's decisions are sacrosanct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    There is nothing new in the fact that refereeing rugby games has an element of subjectivity though. This only needs to be an issue if people expect the laws to be implemented in full all of the time. But if those people got there way we’d see next to no rugby as we’d just have penalty fests.

    I know the common response to that is that it would make players stop infringing, but the game gets messy, especially around the ruck. We already see cases of players not deliberately infringing being pinged for it. The last thing the game needs is for this to happen in cases that aren’t impacting the flow of the match.

    IMO some people just simply need to accept that refs will use their judgement to determine if an infringements requires punishment or not. And as individuals we won’t always agree with those calls. Especially if it doesn’t go our teams way.

    This has been part of the game for as long as the game has been around. Unless the decisions are wildly biased in one sides favour or another, unless there’s a clear lack of consistency or unless officials get very clear and important decisions badly wrong, then we just have to just deal with it. Not being able to is an individuals problem, not the games problem.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Exactly - Consistency is what's important, not absolute application of the laws. As you say , 100% application would be 100+ infringements each game.

    Ideally you'd have universal, global consistency but in all likelihood the best we can hope for is regional consistency.

    However , even consistency from the one ref in the one game should be perfectly manageable.

    As long as they whistle/don't whistle for the same things each time , then everyone should just be able to get on with it...

    Players need to be coached to adapt to what's happening and adjust accordingly.

    Every referee I've ever played under or watched from the sidelines has their way of doing things - Some are hot on the Scrum engagement , some on the lineout , offside , breakdown entry and so on.

    A combination of preparation and adjustment during the game should not be beyond the wit of professional players and coaches.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    And a bit of understanding from supporters too! At the end of the day, getting pissed off about some of those things is only having an impact on your own enjoyment of the game and, probably, the enjoyment of those around you. So chilling out about this stuff makes the whole experience more enjoyable across the board.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's definitely a lack of consistency within each game itself that bothers people, in particular I find when TMO interventions come at the cost of one team more than another, especially if there are very obvious infringements - it is quite frustrating.

    But this is getting away from the point, if there is to be an improvement in reffing - it's not going to by catalysed by Rassie having a childish moan on camera, lying about his interactions with the officials and then leaking the entire thing to influence the next game his team is playing in. The sanction to my mind was measured but I'd have gone further, especially after that incredibly immature and poorly advised tweet yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭Rugbymad2020


    Shows how clueless u are and not knowing the facts when u say he released it.do ur homework and don’t rely on Facebook pages for info as u prob do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,515 ✭✭✭OldRio


    I'd double his sanctions to be honest. Dreadful for the game to have him carryinging on like a spoilt teenager.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's turning into an embarrassment for SA rugby at this stage, not just Erasmus.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    They honestly don't care.

    All they care about is winning and that's what they did therefore everything that brought them to that point is A-OK.

    I'm friends with a few SA rugby lads/ladies and they're the moderates and I respect the **** out of them when it comes to rugby. They don't want to talk about the whole thing at all. That doesn't make me think that the general SA rugby fan really despises what Erasmus did. I suspect a sizeable proportion think it's somewhat justified.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,534 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    As long as Erasmus keeps SA at the top of the game, the fans will back him regardless.

    I don't think Irish fans would be much different tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Ah we would. There’s no way we’d accept that behaviour en masse. We’re far from perfect, but we’re not that bad!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭Rugbymad2020




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    I think someone needs a hug



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah and I've no doubt plenty of Springbok supporters are very unhappy with the situation too.

    Seems to be no shortage of idiots on social media making excuses however, some serious impotent rage on display.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭Rugbymad2020




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Well angry fella I’m neither a paedo or catholic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,200 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,200 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    I like that you don't deny you're a **** though 😜 I appreciate the self awareness.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭salmocab




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    If Leo Cullen had done what Erasmus did after a loss and Leinster rugby backed him up, I'd cancel my season ticket in a heartbeat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,687 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    This level of bitterness and denial is incredible. It also completely glosses over how extraordinarily out of line Erasmus's conduct really was. Rennies conduct was nothing near the scale of the formers.

    This man is supposedly one of the better rugby journalists from South Africa.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's actually quite remarkably childish. Blinkered for sure, but just such an embarrassingly immature reaction to such a clear cut case of wrong doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,864 ✭✭✭pappyodaniel


    Just watching a documentary on tg4 about the 30 year history of the AIL. More tokenism featuring the women's game.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Has anyone ever gained anything by bitching about refs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,006 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Thats not my recollection of Dupont's 6Ns performances, but then I struggle to remember last month these days never mind 6 months ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,006 ✭✭✭✭bilston





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    Pretty significant announcement by World Rugby today.

    World Rugby has approved the eligibility change rule to allow players to switch nationality. Essentially any international player can transfer from one union to another subject to demonstrating a close and credible link to that union via birth right (born or have a parent or grandparent born in that county).

    The move is only possible also if that player is stood down from international rugby for 3 years (3 years since last cap) and also is subject to approval from World Rugby Regulations Committee.

    Huge news for many of the Pacific Island countries like Tonga, Samoa and Fiji who have had a lot of diaspora go on to play for Australia and New Zealand.



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