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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭bob mcbob


    Ok here is some independent analysis done on Baba's results last week -

    Diving into different segments of Alibaba's e-commerce empire, the only real profitable segment is "customer management," which is essentially online ad revenue from merchants on Alibaba's platform. That segment only grew 3% in the third quarter. While some would attribute that to difficult yearly comparisons and the Chinese economy, even Alibaba acknowledged competitive pressure played a part, saying the slowdown "resulted from slowing market conditions and more players in the China e-commerce market."

    And on the cloud business -

    However, the cloud business is still unprofitable (although slightly profitable on an EBITA basis) and only makes up 10% of revenue, so success requires some faith Alibaba will turn this into a larger and profitable second main business. Additionally, that growth rate is still below all of the major U.S.-based cloud companies, even though they are all larger than Alibaba's cloud today.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    All those other companies have PE ratios multiples of BABA. Most suppression of the stock price has been politics which will cool off eventually.

    There's a lot of fear over China stocks. I get it, I'm just not of the opinion it's going to change the course of the future.

    I could be wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,391 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    The "I could be wrong" is the bottom line here, trust me our egos won't matter the fook if we are right and you are wrong, but your pocket absolutely will. I don't like to spread FUD but I think its vital to have your trading ground rules and chasing losses with the serious potential of catching a falling knife are almost always driven by emotions rather than rational facts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    We'll see. It's money I can afford to lose. I obviously don't want to lose it.

    People have a fear of China and love the US markets. "you can't trust the figures from China" they'll say while Nikola exists.

    As I said, everyone is euphoric when the trend is up and pessimistic when trend is down. I remember in August/September 2019 being in these threads and the S&P was down 6% and people were fearing the market saying they were moving to cash!

    If there was 0 risk everyone would be taking out loans and putting it in the market today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭al87987


    I'm getting battered today and yesterday.

    Anybody buying these dips yet?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Does hurt to see my overall profit go from 4k to 500 in about a week though. lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭Nemeses2050


    Growth stocks getting pummelled...picked up some Upwork and Alteryx, both looking cheap compared to others...hope i won't regret.

    compared to last year my portfolio is much diversified , still heavy on Green stocks would like to get rid of some of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭massdebater


    Thanks for the reply. That's a lot in BRK as well! It's only up 40-50% since end of Dec 2018 though, it would have been prudent to get rid back then. Even the S&P500 is up close to 100% since then.

    I don't disagree with your idea of building wealth by having higher concentration is fewer projects, I follow a somewhat similar conviction with my positions. Although BABA and Berkshire would be pretty far down my list, so it's interesting to hear other opinions!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭LawBoy2018


    Especially when it comes to Chinese companies... See TIGR for ref. (ouch).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 996 ✭✭✭The Phantom Jipper


    I'm getting a little tempted. Some of the stars of yesteryear in my watchlist seem to keep plummeting; Fulgent, Upstart, Lemonade, StoneCo etc. My current portfolio is in disarray the last few days so I might hold off a while longer, in case it's throwing good money after bad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭jams100


    Your probably right, it will probably recover but your getting a lot of red flags from China...from Jack Ma "disappearing", possible covid cover up, tennis player disappearing. They are just a couple of recent events that spring to mind. Bottom line (imo) China don't and won't give a f**k about the average investor they are a communist country and they'll do whatever to preserve that, even if that means pulling apart a giant like Baba. Again, its likely Baba will recover and be higher in a year or twos time. But there are many stocks that will also be significantly higher in two years time that would allow me to sleep easy at night, AMZN, GOOG and PYPL for example. Like others I wouldn't have one stock be 40%, even 10% would be the limit for me.

    My question to you is...Would anything make you sell this stock?

    I'd be reluctant to sell many stocks but there's always a line somewhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭jams100


    Added to PYPL.

    Plan on adding to GAN in coming days / week (Just waiting for dust to settle after (hopefully) insiders stop selling).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I have my doubts over whether the other large companies can sustain the stock growth rate.

    Microsoft (which I hold a small position) is up 86% from it's pre pandemic price.

    Would something make me sell BABA? Probably. If there was a breakup of the company, mass layoffs and the general market in China were reaching ATH while BABA continued to rot.

    In the last year many Chinese companies had big corrections. Below are some of the biggest China companies by market cap. Most of them haven't recovered and the only ones that are in the green are in the green big because of green energy (batteries and EVs)

    • Tencent -42%
    • Kweichow Moutai -40%
    • ICBC -19%
    • Meituan -57%
    • China Merchants Bank -21%
    • China Construction Bank -25%
    • Agri Bank of China -15%
    • JD -42%
    • Even BYD, who are up 50% YTD had a 48% drop this year.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,040 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Munger has 20% of the Daily Journal Corp Fund in BABA. Thats's $ 44.7million. He manages the fund. His stake in the fund is about 3.6%.

    His net worth overall is about 12.3 billion overall, according to Forbes. So it's not clear how much he owns personally.

    DATAROMA Superinvestors Portfolio Holdings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,391 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    I use to be a big China bull, but the more I read about them the less convinced I am. My biggest problem is with Xi Jingping, the leader. His approach the last 20yrs, a China who embraced capitalism absolutely was good for China, and hopefully will be continue pushing China for the next 5 or 10yrs, but what's really soured me is the way hes abolished presidential terms. Dictatorships who hang on beyond their welcome always tend to become very erratic in their control, especially as they age. Chinas growth rates have been exceptional the last few yrs, but mostly from the shear scale, their population is aging particularly fast due to the 1 child policies of the 90s, and a Japanese style deflationary event could well hit them hard at some stage next 10yrs, mix that up with an erratic aging dictator who won't leave, and all bets are off for China. I'm still happy with the likes of my NIO, NIU, Bilibili etc, but won't be adding to any of them moving forwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭weemcd


    Did we ever get whoever first suggested 4D Pharma in here?

    I'm only half-joking but holding this share is misery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭bob mcbob


    I don't believe the Chinese story for two reasons. To explain why, just look at two of it's neighbours Japan and Korea. Both of these countries have already achieved what China is supposed on the verge of achieving - become a fully developed country. Now look at how Japan and Korea did it -

    • Consumer consumables (cars, electronics, etc) made by local companies which started out cheap and cheerful but reliable then went up the value chain (Japan - Toyota, Nissan, Honda, JVC, Panasonic, etc, ) (Korea - Hyundai, Samsung, Kia, etc) What are the Chinese equivalents. China is now the workshop of the world but mainly manufacturing products for Western companies. As costs rise, China is as vulnerable to offshoring now as the West was 10/20 years ago.
    • During their rise, both Japan (70's/80's) and Korea(90's) had significant budget surplus's. China in contrast has been funding their current rise thru debt - they have huge debts. So their current model (funding growth thru debt) cannot last much longer. How is their economic model going to adapt as relations with the West deteriorates and all Xi cares about is hanging on to power.

    I am certainly not a bull on how this is going to play out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,100 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    $BABA hitting $131. Its lowest price in almost 3 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,040 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    China versus Ireland. Using USA Dollar $ to Compare

    Debt per Citizen - China $3,635 Ireland $49,294

    Debt as a % of GDP - China 45.58% Ireland 67.96%



  • Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Unofficial/unrecorded money lenders form a significant part of consumer debt in China. There's a big shadow debt system there. Does your source account for this?

    Also, is it GDP (PPP)?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,040 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe




  • Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You didn't include a source for your "facts".

    Good chat. 🙄 I'm new here so it's good to know who to take seriously and who to ignore. Thanks for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,040 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    This is the bit I like;

    If you spend $1,000,000 a day it would take you 30912 years and 0 month to spend all China debt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭bob mcbob


    China's debt problem

    China’s debt has risen dramatically in the past decade, largely the result of credit fed to state-owned enterprises in the wake of the global financial crisis. To some, the debt mountain represents a threat to China’s stability and even the world’s economic health, while others argue such fears are overdone as most of the country’s debt is state owned and therefore, they say, manageable.

    How bad is it?

    China’s debt is more than 250 percent of GDP, higher than the United States. It remains lower than Japan, the world’s most indebted leading economy, but some experts say the concern is that China’s debt has surged at the sort of pace that usually leads to a financial bust and economic slump.

    The worrying part

    However, when government debt is removed from the comparison, you see a very different picture. China’s corporate and household debt has risen sharply and this is where most worries are focused.

    So to sum up, Chinese government debt is low but debt from Chinese companies to the Chinese government is huge. As these Chinese companies are essentially state owned enterprises, I think it is a bit disingenuous to not count this as Chinese government debt. But hey feel free!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 hellfish


    I'm looking at transferring my Stocks and Shares ISA to one that'll allow US stocks to be held. Any recommendations of brokers that are good value? I'm looking at IG, does anyone on here use them and if so would you recommend?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    This new variant is causing havoc in the markets again...The EURO50 down 3.5% and S&P futures down nearly 2%.



  • Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aviation shares down hugely.

    Hopefully they stay depressed until this month's pay comes through so I can buy in to the shares that I'm trying to build up a holding in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    All my stocks down big. lol

    I'm going back to the red overall...again!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,666 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Sold about €2k of Teledoc shares yesterday - the only bloody thing that's up today



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭jams100


    If true, yet another reason why I'm staying well clear of Chinese stocks, dont know how some people have majority of their portfolio in Chinese stocks and sleep at night (Especially when owning ADR shares).



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